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Bill: Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.

Details

Submitted by[?]: Adam Smith Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 2084

Description[?]:

Considering that there is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.

and recognizing that many families do not have the means to pay for home schooling, this implies that the curent law whereby education is compulsory, but home schooling is permitted amounts to enforced attendance at a school regulated and run by the government.

This being the case it is currently illegal to refuse to submit your child to the indoctrination of the government in its education program. Regarding this situation as being both unethical and in contravention of our basic principles, we require the law concerning compulsory education to be changed. If the only education to be recognised as such is to be that which is oficially sanctioned, we argue that many of our future generations would be better of without this 'education' and with the freedom to learn what they need to learn instead.


For each child not registered with a state or regulated private school, the government will provide education vouchers which shall be redeemable by institutions and organisations that provide verifiable but unregulated education. This will allow our native peoples to retain their traditional schooling, and it will provide legitimate options for those that mistrust the government controled education system.

To prevent child labour abuse this law only allows minors over the age of 11 to work up to and including 14 hours a week (2 hours a day, or two days basically) in the service and retail industries. In addition there shall be recognised industrial apprenticeships that shall be overseen and regulated by the appropriate trade union. Union membership shall not be required however to obtain the apprenticeship position.
Minors aged 11 and under shall not be permitted to work in any field. This prohibition includes working in family businesses.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date23:45:53, July 19, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageWe will support but only if education vouchers equivalent to the cost per head of state schooling are offered to each child opting out of the formal system, to assist them to pursue self-guided learning.

Date01:18:16, July 20, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageOpposed, obviously. Our education policy has moderated, but not to the extent of abolishing compulsory education altogether. This would set back Lodamun by decades and further advance the atomization of society.

Date02:51:40, July 20, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageWe proposed a voucher system a while back, which was rejected. However we a certainly willing to go back to providing frredom of choice through vouchers. A clause shall be added to the bill to this effect. These vouchers will have to be redemable by institutions that do not have their curricula regulated by the state for this to be worthwhile. However we will concede that the state can verify that the institutions are providing education of some kind (to prevent fraud and exploitation)

Date05:59:22, July 20, 2005 CET
FromDemocractic Socialist Party of Lodamun
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageOpposed, although not set in stone.

I'd like to see more dabating before I make my decision.

Date13:16:36, July 20, 2005 CET
From National People's Gang
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageWe welcome the additional clause and will support this motion.

DSP: This bill provides the widest possible range of educational opportunity - and eliminates the concept of school as a prison for young people. A huge proportion of issues in schools are related to the coercive nature of compulsory education. Teachers are not police officers, but their primary role in compulsory education is to manage lesson-by-lesson registration, truancy and disaffected learners.

Many young people (and older ones) do not relate well to classroom learning, which often has a curriculum restricted by the need for generalisation . Under this proposal a young person could choose to divide their time like this:

Mon - Go to the garage with mum to learn about car mechanics.
Tue - Walk in the mountains with village elder (Vrindal and Pete are going, so is Ngobi - a good chance to show her my climbing abilities)
Wed - There's a physics class in school about levers
Thurs - The musicman is hauling out his boat for keel repairs (and he always talks about flutes when he's working)
Fri - Jason LeForrest's class, don't know what about but it's always fun
Sat - Activity Centre running a philosophy workshop and the interactive learning packs done by Vox Pop TV are cool
Sun - This week going to Jain's after-prayer session, their building is air-conditioned and they have good food

Of course it could be:

Mon/Tue/Wed/Thu/Fri/Sat - PlayStation Two
Sun - lie in bed

Which would you choose?

Date20:15:13, July 20, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
Message*Applauds the member for Equitista*

*Hell freezes over for the second time this decade*

Date21:15:55, July 20, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageIn keeping with the Equitista speaker's comments, we suggest this be retitled the "PlayStation Subsidy Act."

Date23:24:35, July 20, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageThe speaker for the CCF-Greens shows just how little respect they have for the people of our nation with his (her?) comments. Why do they assume that people are so stupid as to waste their time, when opportunities and possibilities are presented to them. That very tiny minority who are that stupid, should not be forced to attend school where all they will achieve is the disruption of the studies of others. The vast majority should be provided with the possibility of persuing a life plan different to that that the member of the CCF-Greens believes to be correct. Thus the existing title of the bill.

Date00:39:04, July 21, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessagePeople learning in groups that encourage critical thinking, while at the same time ensuring that everyone learns how to read and write, is hardly "compulsory indoctrination." If that is the sort of hysterical hyperbolic rhetoric that we are using, then we see no reason not to suggest equally hyperbolic names. How about the "Luddite back to the dark ages act"?

Date01:05:04, July 21, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageWhenb education is funded and regulated in its entirety by the government and is at the same time compulsory, there is almost innevitable indoctrination going on. If these circumstances are then combined with the CCF's discriminatory views on government recruitment, which includes teachers, then the indoctrination becomes unavoidable. The name is not rhetoric it is descriptive.

Date04:10:55, July 21, 2005 CET
FromDemocractic Socialist Party of Lodamun
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageYou mean I could play playstation ALL day?

opposed.

Date05:12:47, July 21, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageWould you wantr to play the PlayStation all day every day. You may think so, but after a week or so you would get bored, either that or you are a waste of educational resources anyway.

Date17:57:30, July 21, 2005 CET
FromCNT/AFL
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageWhat about the problem of children forced by cicumstance to work in dangerous environments rather than pursue learning? Surely making education voluntary without including some sort of clause regulating child labour would cause a host of problems.

Date18:05:32, July 21, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageFair point. There is a question though of apprenticeship. Should this count as child labour, what about work experience, or baby sitting, or car washing on the weekend, etc. While we disapprove of children (under 16) working instead of studying, we do not wish to see a system whereby a teenager can not earn their own money to spend if they so wish.

As such We would recommend that the law allows minors over the age of 11 to work up to and including 14 hours a week (2 hours a day, or two days basically) in the service and retail industries. In addition there shall be recognised industrial apprenticeships that shall be overseen and regulated by the appropriate trade union. Union membership shall not be required however to obtain the apprenticeship position.

Would a clause to this effect be worthwhile.

Date22:12:18, July 21, 2005 CET
FromCNT/AFL
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageSounds alright to us.

Date04:03:09, July 22, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Freedom from compulsory indoctrination act.
MessageOne more going to vote then

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Voting

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Total Seats: 289

no
 

Total Seats: 47

abstain
   

Total Seats: 114


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