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Bill: Reforming the Nation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Democratic Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2360
Description[?]:
This bill will implement the following into the government: Head of State Title: Supreme Governor Head of Government Title: Prime Minister Legislative Body Title: Supreme Council Moved to re-align the position of the two previous and seperate debates on these respective topics into one centralized area of discussion. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Ayatollah
Current: Cakaniye Cumhuriyeti Başbakanı (Prime Minister of the Republic of Jakania)
Proposed: Prime Minister
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Caliph
Current: Cakaniye Cumhuriyeti Başkanı (President of the Jakanian Republic)
Proposed: Supreme Governor
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Consultative Assembly
Current: Cumhuriyet Meclisi (Assembly of the Republic)
Proposed: Supreme Council
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 09:06:09, February 12, 2007 CET | From | Jakanian Liberal Socialists | To | Debating the Reforming the Nation |
Message | We still have some reservation about usage of the word "supreme". It implies superiority over others and over other forms of representation in the nation. I think we would all wish to avoid the former, and the latter... well, our powers certainly aren't absolute, indeed that should be something to be avoided. To speak the truth, this party is in favour of the current "Consultative Assembly"; though it may have been brought in by our nation's enemies, it's power-neutral, and doesn't suggest an inherent superiority, and "consultative" suggests democracy; a sense that we work with the people as their equals, as their representatives, rather than as their leaders or their superiors. Prime Minister we have no gripes with, but something more unique to our own nation we feel would be of benefit. Establising ourselves as an independant nation is very important at this critical stage of government development. |
Date | 22:39:07, February 12, 2007 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the Reforming the Nation |
Message | The word "supreme" techinally does mean "the guy in charge". Here is an example, in the U.S.A we have the Supreme Court, it is the highest court and it has superiority over the other courts in the country. So saying Supreme Governor is saying the "Top" Governor. Another example, The President of U.S.A is like the governor of the country and He/She has superiority over all other Governers. So you see where I am going with this. In cities, there are Councils, by calling the legislature the "Supreme Governer" is saying it has superiority over all other Councils in the country. Thats my stand point. |
Date | 22:54:55, February 12, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Nation |
Message | To play off of the UDA's point, here's a fresh standpoint. To title a court the "Supreme Court" is not belittling other courts, it is purely emphasizing the importance which this court holds. The other courts still are to be respected and held in a high sovereign position, but they hold not the namesake and duties of this pinnacle of American justice. To say "Supreme Governor" does not mean anything offensive, it merely points out and redestributes the point that this official is the most high executive in their position. This shouldn't be taken offensive, rather beheld in a respective view. For the "Supreme Council", this shows that it is a respected and most venerable legislative body with the utter importance of the entire nation's needs. In truth, it does out do other councils because that is the power vested within. The Supreme Council has the powers to implement the nation's most vital legislation into effect, thus garnering the title Supreme. Does the J.L.S. approve? |
Date | 08:32:38, February 13, 2007 CET | From | Jakanian Liberal Socialists | To | Debating the Reforming the Nation |
Message | We do not believe it is ideal, but we respect the thought put into this decision and the consensus reached between the parties. We may suggest changes in the future, but for now we will approve of this if it is sent to vote. |
Date | 00:52:25, February 14, 2007 CET | From | Scientific Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Nation |
Message | We had an observation awhile back that titling oneself 'supreme' is one of the signs of an evil overlord. We then realized that the only evidence we could think of for this point was 'Supreme Chancellor Palpatine' (the Supreme Court being a facetious example of this at best). Though we also did notice that translators tend to translate Arabic titles into English to include the word 'supreme', probably because of these unconscious 'evil' connotations. All of that said, we will vote yes, because pretending to be evil amuses us. Or something? |
Date | 01:11:22, February 14, 2007 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the Reforming the Nation |
Message | How do you ever expect to be taken seriously with examples such as that? Maybe Particracy is a little complex for you |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||||
yes |
Total Seats: 100 | ||||||
no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
Random fact: Particracy has been running since 2005. Dorvik was Particracy's first nation, the Dorvik Social Democrats the first party and the International Greens the first Party Organisation. |
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