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Bill: Reforming the Nation

Details

Submitted by[?]: Liberal Democratic Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2360

Description[?]:

This bill will implement the following into the government:

Head of State Title: Supreme Governor

Head of Government Title: Prime Minister

Legislative Body Title: Supreme Council

Moved to re-align the position of the two previous and seperate debates on these respective topics into one centralized area of discussion.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date09:06:09, February 12, 2007 CET
From Jakanian Liberal Socialists
ToDebating the Reforming the Nation
MessageWe still have some reservation about usage of the word "supreme". It implies superiority over others and over other forms of representation in the nation. I think we would all wish to avoid the former, and the latter... well, our powers certainly aren't absolute, indeed that should be something to be avoided.

To speak the truth, this party is in favour of the current "Consultative Assembly"; though it may have been brought in by our nation's enemies, it's power-neutral, and doesn't suggest an inherent superiority, and "consultative" suggests democracy; a sense that we work with the people as their equals, as their representatives, rather than as their leaders or their superiors.

Prime Minister we have no gripes with, but something more unique to our own nation we feel would be of benefit. Establising ourselves as an independant nation is very important at this critical stage of government development.

Date22:39:07, February 12, 2007 CET
From United Democrats of Jakania
ToDebating the Reforming the Nation
MessageThe word "supreme" techinally does mean "the guy in charge". Here is an example, in the U.S.A we have the Supreme Court, it is the highest court and it has superiority over the other courts in the country. So saying Supreme Governor is saying the "Top" Governor. Another example, The President of U.S.A is like the governor of the country and He/She has superiority over all other Governers. So you see where I am going with this. In cities, there are Councils, by calling the legislature the "Supreme Governer" is saying it has superiority over all other Councils in the country. Thats my stand point.

Date22:54:55, February 12, 2007 CET
From Liberal Democratic Party
ToDebating the Reforming the Nation
MessageTo play off of the UDA's point, here's a fresh standpoint.

To title a court the "Supreme Court" is not belittling other courts, it is purely emphasizing the importance which this court holds. The other courts still are to be respected and held in a high sovereign position, but they hold not the namesake and duties of this pinnacle of American justice.

To say "Supreme Governor" does not mean anything offensive, it merely points out and redestributes the point that this official is the most high executive in their position. This shouldn't be taken offensive, rather beheld in a respective view.

For the "Supreme Council", this shows that it is a respected and most venerable legislative body with the utter importance of the entire nation's needs. In truth, it does out do other councils because that is the power vested within. The Supreme Council has the powers to implement the nation's most vital legislation into effect, thus garnering the title Supreme.

Does the J.L.S. approve?

Date08:32:38, February 13, 2007 CET
From Jakanian Liberal Socialists
ToDebating the Reforming the Nation
MessageWe do not believe it is ideal, but we respect the thought put into this decision and the consensus reached between the parties. We may suggest changes in the future, but for now we will approve of this if it is sent to vote.

Date00:52:25, February 14, 2007 CET
From Scientific Libertarian Party
ToDebating the Reforming the Nation
MessageWe had an observation awhile back that titling oneself 'supreme' is one of the signs of an evil overlord. We then realized that the only evidence we could think of for this point was 'Supreme Chancellor Palpatine' (the Supreme Court being a facetious example of this at best). Though we also did notice that translators tend to translate Arabic titles into English to include the word 'supreme', probably because of these unconscious 'evil' connotations.

All of that said, we will vote yes, because pretending to be evil amuses us. Or something?

Date01:11:22, February 14, 2007 CET
From United Democrats of Jakania
ToDebating the Reforming the Nation
MessageHow do you ever expect to be taken seriously with examples such as that? Maybe Particracy is a little complex for you

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