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Bill: LBSC Initiative 12
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2084
Description[?]:
| Everyone has a right to defend themselves. Some just do not find a taser mentally challenging enough to their assault on another person and need something more obviously life-threatening to get the picture. Last thing we need is old dead men on the floor with tasers in their hands. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Adult individuals may not own firearms unless professionally required.
Current: Individuals are not permitted to own firearms under any circumstances.
Proposed: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:01:10, July 20, 2005 CET | From | Chinkopodian Economic Democrats | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | Some do not find a gun challenging enough. But for those who will still be prepared to attack someone with a tranquiliser dart, they won't get to the person because they'll be unconcious on the floor with a tranquiliser dart in their neck. So although more people will be prepared to attack, they still won't get to the person. Also, you can't exactly go on a shooting rampage with a taser. You can with a gun. |
| Date | 15:46:35, July 20, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | Not if we made bullets $5,000 a piece! "I'm so gonna kill you man! Imma get me a job, save some money, take out a loan, and then I'm gonna come back and getcha!" Gotta admit, Chris Rock does know how to promote a great idea. |
| Date | 22:30:03, July 20, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | Ah, guns.....no |
| Date | 23:53:47, July 20, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | Again, reasoning to your disagreement. Otherwise it sounds like a random baseless argument. An argument of a child. I'm giving you my explanation and you should give yours. |
| Date | 07:22:55, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Social Libertarian party | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | He's just voicing his disagreement, he's not voting on it so there's no reason that he has to be involved with the discussion. But I believe in guns, only because if our government becomes currupt then we need a way to revolt, but in our government everything is politically motivated as it's impossable for money to motivate. Indeed a conundrum, so I don't know which side to support. |
| Date | 17:39:35, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | On one hand you have civil libirties, on another you have constant fear of dark alleys. I doubt anyone would truly feel safe by themselves at night if all they had was a taser and knew full well that anyone that would rape them would most likely already have an illegal gun themselves. |
| Date | 18:30:29, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | Becauses Guns are lethal weapons and if we start giving them out willy nilly, then people will be shot, I don't care if you have "bullet control", people will get bullets cheaply or steal them. If guns are illegal it makes it harder to get hold of such a weapon, not impossible but harder. Also, this would raise the level of gun crime a lot! |
| Date | 18:31:59, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | and LBSC, your comment above mine was a load of rubbish, believe me. Look at crime levels in the UK, falling on the whole. and Britain doesn't really allow guns. |
| Date | 19:03:21, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | Yes. They don't allow guns. They also still have their monarchy and refuse to take it down. They also have a pretty long history of being rebelled against. Of course they don't allow guns. |
| Date | 22:33:11, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | I can hardely imagine Tory Engalnd rising up in an armed rebellion against the policies of a Labour government... |
| Date | 23:27:13, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | And that's why they have no power. ; ) |
| Date | 00:02:52, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Social Libertarian party | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | Have to go with the majority |
| Date | 18:33:27, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the LBSC Initiative 12 |
| Message | Majority sucks. Stick with the minority! Have plenty of people to laugh at! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 124 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 533 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 93 |
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