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Bill: Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolutionary Democratic Socialists
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2360
Description[?]:
| Can all the parties that voted for http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=101456 explain to me how this is a positive bill for the people of our beautiful country? I believe that the following parties: National Party of Baltusia Paraplu party Baltusian Pantian Alliance Liberal Party of Baltusia all blatently violated our national constitution in the above law. I hereby move that an independant inquirey be set up to investigate these crimes against our nation. I propose that Kande Varrault of the Orange Party head the investigation, as i have faith in them to be independant. In the extra-ordinary circumstances surrounding the "Revolution of 2356" this coalition of the right used extreme circumstances to violate our nations tradisions and our constitution. We call Kande Varrault to investigate these crimes and provide a recommendation for any further actions against any party he beleives perverted the course of justice. A yes vote is a vote for an investigation by the Orange party into the above bill and the situation surrounding it and them providing recommendations against any party seen to break constitutional law. The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:53:12, February 12, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes |
| Message | “Criminalizing prostitution” Does not have to be the government to render the prostitution legal because you can have use of of, if you are not men in order to find a woman enough that he satisfies your desires sexual, you can manage by themselves… “Criminalizing Narcotics” The scientific community has tried that the drug kills. The state, and therefore the Senate who of is the maximum rappresentation, cannot be accomplice and unarmed observer of this mass suicide. “Criminalizing public nudity” We not are against the nudity, but like must hold account the freedom of who wants to go knot in turn, therefore must hold account that one of who does not want to make that. “Criminalizing public sexuality” To you would make appeals to to seat to you on a park bench where is the sperm of that previously it has made sex? It would make it appeal to you, if while you are seated in beach to watch the sea, a brace arrives and begins to make sex in front of you? For who it is not voyeur is not pleasant. If then you are not enough men in order to find a woman that he satisfies your desires sexual and you have need of someone that make to see you as it makes are problems yours. “Criminalizing child labour” On this already we have expressed ourselves enough. To use the children as labor to low cost in order to increase the profits business is criminal!!! “Criminalizing any rational freedoms” If your concept of freedom were it rations them creed you would not have moved this issue. |
| Date | 16:54:37, February 12, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes |
| Message | ops an error. the previous message was directed to the BPA interrogation. |
| Date | 03:47:12, February 13, 2007 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes |
| Message | Well you've posed an interesting constitutional quandry: *On one hand, you have the Government Equality Act (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=11462), which while poorly written, has been an accepted part of the constitution since its "passing" (as we had lower standards in those days). As such, the elected parties in question have been elected and have not tried to ban their opposition, their policies are as valid as any on the other side of politics. *On the other hand, you have the Bill of Rights (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=11998), which ironically was supported by the predecessors to the BPA, the Hosengott Nationalists, which has been violated, indirectly in terms of rights xii, xiv and xvi. However, for the most part, while the bill is a severe attack on our liberties, the constitution does not specifically outlaw such bills from being legal (except perhaps article 2). Furthermore, the Powers of Praetor Act (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=56922) does not give the Praetor the power to make judgements relating to the constitution, so you would be better off taking your case to the supreme court. Nevertheless, Baltusia has weathered such attacks before and we will no doubt bounce back. OOC: We used to have a Constitution of Baltusia article on the old wiki before it went down, which might've made this somewhat easier. The only other Act to be considered part of the codified constitution is the Rootionville [sic]/Provinces Act (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=37779). |
| Date | 06:05:43, February 13, 2007 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes |
| Message | Section 1 (This bill this is posted in) We believe that bill is positive for the populus in the fact that it give the government better tools to aid in helping society agianst the injustice of those who go agianst Batusian law. The onyl thing that can be said agianst that is by those who have no trust for the government and I can say little but we wish to make a Baltusia where there is a powerful government who no one who obeys the law has to fear, rather then a limp pathetic government who no one has to fear. Except for ya know the degredation of nation and all that jazz. Section 2 (Pertaining to the bill I posted (for the benefit of the SPB)) On the subjects of drugs and people "killing" themselves You can over eat and kill yourself You can over hydrate and kill yourself you can do to much of almost anything and kill yourself and most of the ways are legal What makes this way special? Is your next step to criminalize suicide? Child labour as Baltusia has stood on it for years is not thrid world sweatshop business its people at an early age slowy integrating themselves into society. and now that have to do that outside the eyes of the government. OOC: on the subject of everything else I really truely cannot understand the points our trying to get across x.x Im sorry for mein inabilities buh im trying and if ya clarify them i may possibly be able to get the direction your pointing at. Now i know how i people trying to translate my language of crazy to english. OP seems to be able to understand us all though o.O |
| Date | 23:02:17, February 13, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes |
| Message | The purpose of this bill is tto set up an investigation, charied by the Praetor, to investigate weather crime have been commmited (which clearly they have), and by who. And then to provide recommendations to the senate on an appropriate course of action. WHile the Praetor does not have these poweres nessisarily, he is as we beleive, an independant voice in this scandal, and would be capable of doing this investigation without left/right bias. |
| Date | 23:15:02, February 13, 2007 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes |
| Message | So quick to call crimes monisuer o.O The BPA has headed much "worse" in your eyes movements and the only punishment for them we have had for them is our legislation being over ruled by newer bills putting things to the way they where before you here (well only that minus the disbandonment of the Hosengott Nationalists for the incident with the re education camps) Think back to the good days the days of The Pantian Empire of Baltusia :) OOC: I loved that oh so much well except for the national leaders name the prog cons made it that long on the pure effort to annoy the OP |
| Date | 01:28:03, February 14, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes |
| Message | worse movements doesnt excuse the blatent rape of our nations constitution. Darker moments in our history doent excuse you trying to ravenge our proud nation. |
| Date | 04:13:55, February 14, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Investigations of the Constitutional Crimes |
| Message | We're going to vote no because like many parties we don't want an investigation conducted under the conditions which you've posited. Personally, I'd rather this quagmire was taken to the supreme court, inarguably the best place for resolving the dispute. I would further note that, based on our codified constitution, its questionable whether the four accused parties have "raped our constitution". I point to the GEA, which presumably will override any alledged "minor" violations of the Bill of Rights. But then, this is just the newest chapter in Baltusia's long war between fascists/nationalists/conservatives against liberals/libertarians/socialists (although, when there aren't any fascists around, the liberals tend to more fiercely oppose the socialists). "OP seems to be able to understand us all though" Except for the SPB. Some of their stuff looks like it was written in English and then a thesaurus went to town on it. "an independant voice in this scandal" Not really. We have conflicts of interest all over the place. We support the BPA as a general rule of thumb. Conversely, we severely oppose the bill in question. So, on one hand, we want to keep our allies. On the other, we want our ideology to spew forth as it once did. Hence my suggestion for abitration in the supreme court. "And then to provide recommendations to the senate on an appropriate course of action. " Is this the same Senate the declared your party to be "evil" by a majority vote? "Think back to the good days the days of The Pantian Empire of Baltusia" Good god, I'd forgotten about that. That would've really pissed me off having to wiki that =P. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 74 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 116 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: "Treaty-locking", or ratifiying treaties that completely or nearly completely forbid any proposals to change laws, is not allowed. Amongst other possible sanctions, Moderation reserves the discretion to delete treaties and/or subject parties to a seat reset if this is necessary in order to reverse a treaty-lock situation. |
| Random quote: On 7th February 4281 a group of renowned Metzist experts from all across Terra met in Haldor to form the International Committee for the Estimation of the End Date of Capitalism (ICEEDC). With the assistance of a powerful computer, they calculated that capitalism will terminate Terra-wide on 6th November 4320, and in Dorvik on April 17th 4310. We have no reason whatsoever to believe these very eminent and learned scholars are wrong. They have never been wrong about anything before. ~ Friedrich Pfeiffer, General Secretary of the Dorvish Communist Party |