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Bill: Education Reform Bill Part II
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2365
Description[?]:
| We believe that the government should subsidise the costs of ALL students planning on continuing with higher education. The current system unfairly favours the poor, putting them in a better position than those only marginally above them in terms of income. Thus we aim to help all, with this Bill. However we must recognise that higher education will lead to better pay and other advantages in later life, and feel that these subsidies should be paid back at a later date. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government subsidizes tuition only for students from families classified as low-income or poor.
Current: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Proposed: The government introduces means tested loans for higher education tuition, to be paid back by students after earnings reach a certain amount.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:32:21, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part II |
| Message | The OLP believes that higher education should not be subsidized. Rick Kwan Secretary of Education and Culture, Orange Liberty Party |
| Date | 17:50:59, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Machiavellian Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part II |
| Message | Our party agress with this bill |
| Date | 19:13:35, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part II |
| Message | OLP, the proposed system is better than the current system, as it ensures that the government at least gets its money back in the long term. It would be foolish to vote against this proposal allowing the worse current situation to continue. |
| Date | 20:22:00, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part II |
| Message | The OLP does not see how making people pay a portion of their wages to the government after they have graduated and earned "a certain amount" benefits the people. Rick Kwan Secretary of Education and Culture, Orange Liberty Party |
| Date | 20:36:53, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part II |
| Message | Because they were given the money to allow them to gain a degree in the first place? Or is that not considered a benefit? One is struck by the odd nature of the OLP arguments, the OLP opposes the state having any role in the matter, but in so opposing prefers the status quo? |
| Date | 11:30:52, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part II |
| Message | We stil feel that this is a preferable outcome, beneficial to all. Although we admire the workings of the free market, we still feel that the state should offer help to those willing to help themselves, through the process of higher education. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 312 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 438 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: "Treaty-locking", or ratifiying treaties that completely or nearly completely forbid any proposals to change laws, is not allowed. Amongst other possible sanctions, Moderation reserves the discretion to delete treaties and/or subject parties to a seat reset if this is necessary in order to reverse a treaty-lock situation. |
| Random quote: "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - George Bernard Shaw |