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Bill: Education Reform Bill Part III
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2365
Description[?]:
| The third part of our proposed education reforms aims to give greater power to schools to control their own affairs. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The teacher's right to discipline children.
Old value:: Teachers are forbidden from striking children and may only use non-contact discipline (detention, expulsion etc).
Current: Teachers are forbidden from striking children and may only use non-contact discipline (detention, expulsion etc).
Proposed: Discipline levels are set by schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:34:17, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | The OLP would accept Article 2, but allowing any school to enact a policy of segregation as per Article 1 is wholly unacceptable. Rick Kwan Secretary of Education and Culture, Orange Liberty Party |
| Date | 17:52:26, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Machiavellian Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | My party disagrees with both, but would still like to see change (just not these ones) |
| Date | 18:10:49, February 22, 2007 CET | From | National Freedom | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | NF strongly disagrees with Article 1, and do not like the idea of children being in danger of violence. |
| Date | 19:15:48, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | Violence? We are not talking about children being beaten up, we are talking about punishment as regulated by parents and teachers, not by the state. As for Article One, we feel it makes sense, if parents want their children to be raised in schools that suit their culture why sould we stop them? Does it benefit children to be educated in an environment that is detrimental to their culture? |
| Date | 20:27:26, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | Ustaše, if you can identify how being in school with someone of another race or ethnicity is detrimental, we will give you a cookie. It would be criminal for authority figures to teach children that it is somehow detrimental to them to be exposed to people who are not like them. Segregation would be leading and teaching by example, and it would be a poor example indeed. Rick Kwan Secretary of Education and Culture, Orange Liberty Party |
| Date | 20:41:50, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | If you belong to a minority group, and you go to a mainstream school, where the majority culture is dominant, then it is almost a given that the minority culure will come under threat from the majority culture. Its why minority languages die out in the face of an education system based upon certain standards, usually imposed by the majority cultures. Minority cultures are worth preserving, and if people wish to preserve them, then the government should allow them to do so. It would be criminal for minority racial and cultural groups to suffer a debasement of their culture. Furthermore the faggots of the OLP should drop their patronising tone, unless of course you wish for the Ustase to lower its tone. |
| Date | 21:26:27, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | I think you must have Lodamun confused with some other country. Here, we have made a great deal of progress in the area of racial and ethnic diversity, and the wide majority of Lodamese are very accepting and inclusive of other cultures. Perhaps you didn't realize that since you just set up shop here 3 years ago. FURTHERMORE, calling us faggots is not a good way to induce us to "drop our patronising tone". Rick Kwan Sexretary of Homoism and Faggotry, Orange Liberty Party |
| Date | 21:30:11, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
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| Date | 21:32:00, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | Looks like you've already voted against some minority parties. I thought "minority cultures are worth preserving"? Hypocrites. Happy St. Patrick's Day Parade, Rick Kwan Secretary of Education and Culture, Pink Liberty Party |
| Date | 21:54:07, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | ===I think you must have Lodamun confused with some other country. Here, we have made a great deal of progress in the area of racial and ethnic diversity, and the wide majority of Lodamese are very accepting and inclusive of other cultures. Perhaps you didn't realize that since you just set up shop here 3 years ago.=== Being governed by a Black Peoples Party is hardly evidence of progress in the area of racial and ethnic dversity, unless the OLP consider rule by one racial group as a good thing. Again, the Ustase consists of more than one person. ===FURTHERMORE, calling us faggots is not a good way to induce us to "drop our patronising tone".=== Perhaps not, but as the OLP are proud of their faggot nature, it is an appropriate term to use, and of course as such it does not mock the OLP in the slightest. We are also gladdened that Mr Kwan has decided to out himself as a sexual pervert. ===Looks like you've already voted against some minority parties. I thought "minority cultures are worth preserving"? Hypocrites.=== Racial groups cannot be compared to sexual fetishes, so where is the hypocrisy? Minority languages and customs are worth preserving, homosexuality isn't really a necessary part of anything. As for St Patricks Day, its February, not March, and is that even celebrated in Lodamun? |
| Date | 22:04:21, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | I see you don't understand "jokes". |
| Date | 22:09:27, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | Again, the Ustase is a party composed of 169 MP's, who is Mr Kwan referring to when he says 'you'? And do 'jokes' have a place in this debating chamber? Doesn't that undermine the validity of the OLP? |
| Date | 22:49:14, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | I dont think you know BPP or Lodamunian history. Did you know the BPP overthrew an apartheid government? Did you know that people from all backgrounds support and are in the BPP? Did you also know that the "Black" in the BPP doesn't just represent a racial group but the unseen(black) people in society? What we have done for Black Lodamunians is the same thing we have done for every other Lodamunian. In no way are we just one racial group. Black is the absence of color and that is what we show as people in society, we are all born equal and we treat each other equal...like I already said everything I done was for the people as a whole, not just a racial group. And secondly being gay/lesbian is a minority group with their own cultures because being gay/lesbian is not just a sexual prefference, it's a way of life... |
| Date | 22:59:31, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | We've seen the BPP in action before, in Al'badara where the BPP set up their own racist militia before fleeing the nation and coming to Lodamun. The BPP overthrew a Apartheid government, but it should be remembered that the Legion of the Archangel Michael overthrew the BPP government. People from all backgrounds support the BPP, so? The BPP may have done things for all other peoples in Lodamun, but they still insist upon the use of racial terms when describing their party and other affairs. Unseen people are Black? Black is the absence of colour? Thats rubbish, black is clearly a racial term, if any group had wished to illustrate its colour blind approach it couldn't really have chosen a less powerful word to use than one that is clearly linked to race. And secondly. how can the BPP continue to confuse a minority sexual practice for the minority races that affected by this Bill? Furthermore there is a great deal of choice in homosexuality, there is no choice in terms of race, therefore it seems like something worth protecting and encouraging, particularly with regards to other cultural conditions associated with race, such as languages etc. |
| Date | 03:27:12, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | Yes, I am referring to all 169 of your Senators and all of your Ministers... or is that Secretaries? Directors? Geez, I can't tell anymore. "Sexretary of Homoism and Faggtory", "Pink Liberty Party", and "Happy St. Patrick's Day Parade" were all jokes reflecting from your spouting homophobic slurs directed at my entire party. Granted, we don't happen to care much what you call us, since the OLP is a very open and accepting party and each one of us is happy with who we are. Not that it's any of your business if I, or 1, 2, 7, 100, 0, or all 8 million people who voted for the OLP in the last election are homosexual or not. We choose to amuse ourselves with your ignorant homophobia. Rick Kwan Secretary of Good Sense, Orange Liberty Party |
| Date | 12:13:40, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | Remember, tis your party who gives its members 'official' titles when they shouldn't be used. We are entitled to characterize your party as homosexuals, as you have made it clear that is how you wish to be addressed. How can homophobia be ignorant? It is a stance taken after deciding that homosexuals values are inconsistence with the values of a normal society. The OLP have already taking the outrageous step of saying that they believe anyone should be able to love anyone they want, opening the doors to incest and peadophilia, that would be the truly ignorant step to take. Furthermore you continue to make a mockery of your own party with the nonsense that Rick Kwan has to say after announcing who he is, what is the point in this? |
| Date | 14:43:05, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Orange Liberty Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | I do not recall ever giving anyone an official title when it was inappropriate. YOU (as in the Ustase as a whole, through whichever spokesman speaks in these debate forums, to clarify my use of the word "you" which I understand has caused some misinterpretations in the past) THINK that I have somehow laid some form of claim upon the Ministry of Education and Culture of the Five Nations of Lodamun, which, of course -- and you (again, the Ustase party) might have known this if you (the Ustate party) had bothered to read what I wrote instead of being a collective group of unintelligent assholes -- I have never done. I am the Secretary of the Education and Culture Department of the Orange Liberty Party. I have never claimed otherwise. Please stop spewing your (the Ustase party's) bullshit. As for characterizeing the Orange Liberty Party as homosexuals, you might be entitled to do so IF AND ONLY IF we had ever publicly announced that we were, in fact, a party of homosexuals, which, again if you (the Ustase party) had taken the time to ACTUALLY READ any of our statements, you (the Ustase party) would realize that we have never done. There may or may not be homosexuals in the Orange Liberty Party. They have no obligation to specify their sexual orientation, because they are not required to by law, and because the Orange Liberty Party doesn't care if its members are homosexual or not. Unlike you (the Ustase party), we accept people of all types because they are human just like everyone else. PLEASE do not respond to us further unless you have READ what we have said AND you actually have something constructive to say. This is the last time that we will discuss something that you (the Ustase party) have not bothered to read. Peace to Lodamun, Rick Kwan Secretary of Education and Culture, Orange Liberty Party (NOT THE FIVE NATIONS OF LODAMUN) Franklin B. Mittelstadt, Sr., President and Founder, Orange Liberty Party (PLEASE NOTE THAT I DID NOT JUST CLAIM I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE FIVE NATIONS OF LODAMUN, MERELY OF MY POLITICAL PARTY) |
| Date | 22:05:29, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Black People's Party | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | I have black as a metaphor in my parties name because of how powerful that word is! This whole thing is becomming silly and if you don't understand it then thats your problem. And also read that I said being gay/lesbian is a minority group...i never said it was a race, and i posted that above just to reaffirm that you have voted against minority groups but you already know you did so now that i think of it, there was no point of me even saying that... |
| Date | 11:36:15, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Education Reform Bill Part III |
| Message | Removed the article on private segregation. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 408 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 342 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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