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Bill: Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2364
Description[?]:
| Threats surround us. There is no point binding the hands of our military, by attempting to sketch out ever more rarified circumstances under which infinitely increasingly detailed plans must be followed. The time has come to give our brave soldiers the freedom to fight as the battlefield dictates, not as the bureaucrat dictates. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to nuclear weapons in retaliation to a nuclear, chemical or biological attack.
Current: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in retaliation to any attack.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in warfare for any reason.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:15:09, February 22, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | We are enormously gratified to see the support of our allies in the AM Radical Libertarian Party on this hotbutton issue. |
| Date | 18:20:40, February 22, 2007 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | We are fully committed to a policy of We Must Defend |
| Date | 09:30:13, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | We are in, but no suprise there. |
| Date | 19:45:34, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | This bill unfortunately appears headed for passage regardless of our vote, and as such we will choose to vote in its favor with the intention of later amending it. |
| Date | 19:48:18, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | The PLPL considers it 'unfortunate' that most parties want to protect the interests of Likatonian civilians against the predations of terrorists and evil empires? |
| Date | 20:04:42, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | We strongly believe in a deterrent, but they key is, a *deterrent*, such that we are willing to use WMD's if we are attacked. We, however, feel that Likatonia should not use WMD's in an offensive war, and most likely should not engage in an offensive war; and agreeing not to do so will prevent pre-emptive strikes, as people would know that the only way we would use WMD's is if we are struck. For years pacifistic parties held a large number of seats in the Convocation, and we kept trying-- sometimes with success, sometimes with failure-- to prevent their disarming us of our WMD's. We feel we should have them and should be willing to use them if invaded. We feel, however, that we should not effectively threaten to invade nations that have not attacked us, and that threat is made when offensive use is allowed by law. |
| Date | 20:16:23, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | Ah - we understand where the PLPL is coming from. We had misjudged your position, for which we apologise. However, we see certain inherent flaws in the argument the PLPL makes. The clauses on WMD legislation are a little TOO specific - WMD's can only be used in retaliation to WMD... can only be used in case of invasion, etc etc. However - what if we envision ourselves as close allies of Valruzia (crazier things have happened), and we see a disarmed Valruzia being occupied by a heavy military force of oppression? Shouldn't we be able to employ our deterrent to defend an ally? What if we have a peace-keeping force in Lodamun, and Deltaria says they are going to turn Lodamun to glass with nuclear carpet-bombing? Shouldn't we be allowed to protect Likatonians overseas? What if a foreign power sponsor a junta to overthrow the legitimate Convocation of Likatonia? Shouldn't we be able to employ our deterrent against non-corporeal attacks? |
| Date | 23:59:38, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | The AMR makes some points that the PLPL had not previously considered. We may wish to allow use of nuclear weapons in any circumstances to stay on the books, so as to be able to defend allies. We will caucus on it. |
| Date | 00:20:54, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Revolution Agenda - Likatonia, Protected |
| Message | The PLPL has our thanks, for being willing to listen to our reasoning. Regardless of which way the internal processes of the PLPL machine lead the party to vote, we thank them for taking time to consider the matter. We would rather have a convinced opponent in an issue, than a half-hearted ally. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 113 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 66 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 20 |
| Random fact: When your party holds the foreign affairs department, you can create new treaties. However, before writing anything new, it is a good idea to search for existing treaties which already accomplish what you desire. |
| Random quote: "The Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor an Empire" - Voltaire |