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Bill: Education Indoctrination
Details
Submitted by[?]: Justice League of Cildania
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2368
Description[?]:
| Apparently a private education system could do the job better and more cheaply than the government, with less indoctrination due to the system allowing parents and children to have more choice in how and where to educate themselves. But this is all choked out because the government has a legal monopoly on education. Holy Cow Batman! Justice demands we makes some changes quick! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Higher education institutions.
Old value:: The government leaves the development and funding of vocational schools and colleges up to local governments.
Current: The government maintains a system of universities, vocational schools, and colleges nationwide.
Proposed: The government does not maintain any forms of higher education.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The regulation of higher education.
Old value:: The government allows public and private higher education institutions to coexist with self-regulation for those that are private.
Current: The government does not allow private higher education institutions.
Proposed: The government does not fund any public higher education institutions, permitting only private higher education institutions to exist.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Pre-school education.
Old value:: The government maintains a system of free publically owned nurseries alongside unregulated private establishments.
Current: The government leaves the pre-school education policy to local governments.
Proposed: The government leaves development of nurseries to the private sector.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The education system.
Old value:: There is a free public education system alongside private schools.
Current: There is a free public education system and a small number of private schools, which are heavily regulated to ensure they teach adequate skills and information.
Proposed: Education is entirely private and schools run on a for-profit basis.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:17:52, February 27, 2007 CET | From |  Divine Party of the Republic | To | Debating the Education Indoctrination |
| Message | "Apparently a private education system could do the job better and more cheaply than the government, with less indoctrination due to the system allowing parents and children to have more choice in how and where to educate themselves" -- Why? According to who? And each of those options that you wish to remove will actually limit choice, the choice of a public education. Currently private education is all but entirely unregulated, how can you argue that thgere is a government monopoly. The Divine Party o fthe Republic hopes that the gift of a dictionary will help the Justice League in the future. http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=monopoly |
| Date | 08:09:10, February 28, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Education Indoctrination |
| Message | The Justice League graciously accepts the Divine Party's gift as a sign of good will, and in return we invite you to share this gift with us in that maybe it will help you as well: http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=myopic And now I'll explain all your questions! You see in our old nation, up to about a century before we left, there was no public education, private schooling was all the rage! There was home schools, religious schools, and specialized schools for all ages. Was everyone educated? No more or less than now, but those that wanted an education did earn it... even the poorest communities realized that education was a good idea, and voluntarily pooled their resources to build a school house and hire a teacher for their community. Then some politicians figured out that if they raised taxes, they could offer "free" schools, and since people like benefits without direct costs, those politicians got elected and the idea caught on. Except the amount of money available was still the same, so instead of great schools and affordable schools, the new choice was "free" average schools. Listen carefully here's the legalized monopoly part: Everyone had to start paying for these education taxes, so the low-income families could only afford to send their kids to the public schools, which effectively whiped out the private schools that depended on the low-income family market. So now the only people that could afford to send their kids to private schools are the people that could afford to pay BOTH for public schools via taxes, and then private schools on top of that. What kind of choice is that? Then of course, as what happens everytime people think something is free, demand for "free" public schools went through the roof. So the government had to start raising more taxes, overworking more teachers, packing in more classrooms... making the education steadily worse and worse while the taxes go up and up, making less families be able to afford better private schools, further raising public schooling demand.... by the time we left the problem was a huge mess, and the only fix the government could think of was to keep raising taxes and throwing more money at the problem.... less and less choice for the people. Not to mention the demand meant the government had to ration the schools, and design districts where your home determined which public school you had to attend and would not let you choose... We wouldn't want to see Cildainia sink into this same quagmire. We should end the government educational monopoly before the problem becomes catastrophic. |
| Date | 16:06:47, February 28, 2007 CET | From | Divine Party of the Republic | To | Debating the Education Indoctrination |
| Message | Cildania has been doing this for well over a century. We have develeoped a system that works extremely well for our nation. We have maintained constant oversight of the public education system and have made changes when needed. Myopic would indicate that we have no clue what path education is taking, but we have yet to have this apocolyptic meltdown that you foretell. |
| Date | 22:28:40, February 28, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the Education Indoctrination |
| Message | Yeesh, okay enough with this making up stuff to support our arguments business, let's just stick to the laws of reality. How about the law of supply and demand? It's economic fact that if you set a price below the market value of a good (i.e. offering 'free' education), demand will outstrip supply. Since supply cannot keep up with demand, you can either reduce supply cost (reduce quality of education) or operate at a loss and fund supply from another reserve (raise taxes). Education is not free, it costs money to teach and house. By offering education for free, you are forcing someone else to pay for it, and the educational system you have "that works extremely well for our nation" by fact of reality has to be operating at a loss. SO in order for your educational system to be working extremely well for over a century, you have to have been raising taxes continuously to keep up with the rising demand for free education... or you've been letting educational quality slip, and I'm betting the situation now is a lot of both. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 136 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 163 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 126 |
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