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Bill: Transport Bill

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Democratic National Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2367

Description^[?]:

To get Likatonia moving!

Proposal^[?] to change Funding of public transport (where applicable).

Old value:: Public transport is fully subsidised by the government.

Current: Public transport is fully subsidised for people with low-income, with the remainder "user-pays".

Proposed: Public transport is fully user-pays.

Proposal^[?] to change Train Operating Companies (TOC).

Old value:: The State owns and operates a national TOC, alongside private TOCs.

Current: The State owns and operates a national TOC, alongside private TOCs.

Proposed: Private companies operate TOCs throughout the country.

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	20:24:46, February 28, 2007 CET
From	AM Populist Social Democrats
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	This would badly harm the environment by failing to encourage the use of mass transit.

Date	20:52:08, February 28, 2007 CET
From	Democratic National Party
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	Transit would become far more efficient if the private sector were in control of it. Please don't make me use OOC examples to prove my point. Speaking OOCly it's understandable that you have that delusion that the state is great at running public transport. If you lived in a state where all trains and all city buses are run by a single state monopoly, you'd have a different perception about environment and public transport.

Date	22:26:16, February 28, 2007 CET
From	Commonwealth Workers Army
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: Having lived in a nation that did have 'state' transportation, and that changed over to 'private' transport, it is no delusion. No one says state transport is perfect, but realworld experience has shown me that it is better than the alternative. Hell, at least the trains run on time.

Date	23:39:13, February 28, 2007 CET
From	Democratic National Party
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: Trains run on time when they're controlled by the state? Are you mad? What country are you living on? It must not be on this planet! Pay a visit to my country and we'll change your mind on state control of public transport.

Date	02:08:55, March 01, 2007 CET
From	Commonwealth Workers Army
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: The problem is - you make all these big protestations about the ooc reality, but (in my experience) the ooc reality is quite the opposite of what you claim. I've lived where transportation was nationalised, and privatised, where medical care was nationalised and privatised, and where education was nationalised and privatised - and, in every one of those cases, 'national' product is superior to private.

Date	02:34:59, March 01, 2007 CET
From	AM Populist Social Democrats
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	It is a common myth that economic rightists like to propagate that the private sector is always better and more efficient than the public sector. It is a myth. We would hold the myth that the public sector is always better to be untrue as well. (OOC: Medicare, the public health care for America's elderly, returns 93% of the money it takes in in benefits, while private health insurers are closer to 78%.) But, in the TOC bill, given that either might be better, we cannot see the logic in not allowing both. Let them compete and let the better operator win.

Date	15:58:38, March 01, 2007 CET
From	Democratic National Party
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: I assume AMR is living in the UK. If so, I don't know how you figure that public transport was better when it was nationalised. Do you prefer the old chitty-chitty bang bang slam door Mark II British rail trains? Did you prefer it best when the buses weren't integrated and buses were accountable to nobody. Did you prefer it when the airlines were state owned and there was no Ryanair to bring the prices down. Did you enjoy the way the waves used to nearly capsize the old state owned Sealink Ferries? Also, how exactly to you mean "education was nationalised and privatised".

Date	00:08:39, March 02, 2007 CET
From	Commonwealth Workers Army
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: I have lived in the UK, yes - but it's not the only place I've lived, and I don't live there now. And yes... transport was better nationalised. You can quibble about aesthetic values, but trains ran on time, with less interruptions. Also - from a purely 'people' point of view, I think they gave (much) better service, also.

Date	01:04:58, March 02, 2007 CET
From	Likaton Coalition of the Willing
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: I live in the uk now. Privatisation of the rail industry has caused soaring prices, significantly less service, and general chaos around the fare structures of differnt franchises. It hasn't introduced choice, or benefitted the consumer in any way shape or form. The technology used would have moved on from 1983, privatisation or no, so the point about "the old chitty-chitty bang bang slam door Mark II British rail trains" is irrelevant. At least they didn't smell of stale faeces, like th Branson Virgin Explorer service constantly does. The buses aren't integrated now. To get to work, which is a 1hr walk, by bus takes 40mins, and involves paying two seperate bus companies. Alternatively, in the Czech Republic, there are streamlined, linked and single fare bus, metro and rail links. IC: We cannot support removing subsidies from public transport.

Date	02:11:28, March 02, 2007 CET
From	Democratic National Party
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: Come to Ireland and enjoy how Iarnr�d Eireann run the trains. Actually recently they outsourced train management and CTC (Central Traffic Control to those of you who know nothign about trains) to a private company and the trains now run on time.

Date	02:15:34, March 02, 2007 CET
From	Commonwealth Workers Army
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: I've spent time in Ireland also - about a decade ago. I encountered no problems with public transport worth remembering after a decade... maybe Dublin is unusual?

Date	07:15:34, March 02, 2007 CET
From	AM Feminazi Movement
To	Debating the Transport Bill
Message	OOC: Melbourne Australia outsourced trains to Connex. The trains are hopeless now, and they recently bought a whole heap of cheap trains that now have been pulled from the tracks due to brake failures, resulting in train shortages and general chaos. I also lived in Brisbane for some time where the trains are still government run and although not perfect, they were (a) on time more and (b) cheaper.

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Total Seats: 56

Total Seats: 117

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Total Seats: 26

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