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Bill: Private University Act of 2083
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal-Progressive Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2084
Description[?]:
| I believe it is time to alow private universities to exist along with public. Allow the people to choose where they want to go, not the government. Private Universitys will not take away any resources from the public universities. Yes they are for profit, but if people choose to pay it's none of our buisness to stop them. The government will assist in tuition, and grants and scholarships will be available . The amount of assistance recieved will be based o income but not to be unfair towards those who may have more money. The fairest means of assitance will be granted. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The regulation of higher education.
Old value:: The government does not allow private higher education institutions.
Current: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Proposed: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.
Old value:: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Current: The government fully subsidizes tuition.
Proposed: The government subsidizes higher education tuition to a certain amount, the rest is covered by the individual students. This includes scholarship programs.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:21:48, July 22, 2005 CET | From |   Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | This makes little sense in stopping this. I'm prepared to bring it to the floor again and again until these private universities are allowed to operate as they should already be. |
| Date | 08:36:35, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Kirlawa Green Party | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | No. Education must remain public and free. Private education is profit based. Making profit is not the goal of education.... We will strongly oppose any form of privitizing education. |
| Date | 08:37:32, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Kirlawa Green Party | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | OCC: sorry wrong country :-) |
| Date | 08:38:23, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | Howdy partner, how did you get past security? |
| Date | 09:07:59, July 22, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | I thought we had been invaded by Kirlawa for a second. Phew. |
| Date | 09:13:34, July 22, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | We'll support as long as tuition is still subsidized by the government. |
| Date | 09:22:20, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | Tuition for the private unviversity? Or keeping free tuition for public univ.? |
| Date | 09:52:25, July 22, 2005 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | Yes, tuition to a private university. Economic factors should not prevent any student from attending one of these schools. |
| Date | 10:09:08, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | I agree that economic factors shouldnt be a factor in preventing a student from attending, but if private tuition was fully subsidized by the government along with free public tuition, where would we get that money? I think they should have the option of getting some kind of scholarship or grant that they pay back after their graduation. That way the government wouldn't be paying for private university students as well as the public univ. students. If they choose to attend a private univ. they also made the decision to pay most of it themselves. That is one of the main reasons private univ. are seperate than public because of the higher cost. The standards of the schools are equal so if they want to pay for a private univ. then that's their choice. |
| Date | 11:32:43, July 22, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | We would accept this as it brings university ownership in lie with the rest of the educational system. |
| Date | 11:44:29, July 22, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | As stated previously, until the ability to remove complete funding from Government sponsored tuition is available, we cannot support the introduction of Private University Establishments. Once we have the ability to set in law as a proposal (not just description) then we will reconsider our position. |
| Date | 11:49:27, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | Ok, should I add a government assistance such as a grant that will enable a student to go to a private univ. but the student repays back the loan when they are through with university. Or do you prefer complete government tuition payments. I personally think the student should pay for most of the education with some help from the government. Or you can say they should be responsible for the entire cost of the univ. since they chose private over public. |
| Date | 11:54:13, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | If private univ. are self regulated then there would be no need for government tuition payments because it's private! And the students who choose to attend are willing to pay themselves. So for now I think this is ok. Government payment of tuitition applies to public univ. not private so there is no issue here. |
| Date | 12:07:57, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | For now the proposal for limited government funding with scholarships should remove the requirement of complete government funding. It is stated in the proposal. |
| Date | 21:39:24, July 22, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Movement | To | Debating the Private University Act of 2083 |
| Message | Being a true socialist party, we will resist any form of privatisation, and running schools for profit. We believe that Hobrazia will benefit from a fully nationalised system, especially in key areas such as education and healthcare. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 300 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 72 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 28 |
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