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Bill: Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party
Details
Submitted by[?]: Centrist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2372
Description[?]:
| Comments made by the Socialist Worker's Party on the CCM discussion upsets me since I strongly believe in the right to express minority opinions. Socialist Workers' Party statement made to the RIR were "although I think it would be the polite thing on your part to remove yourself since you hold such a minority opinion." This "request" is unacceptable and pure authoritarian racism. The Nazi tried to quiet and destroyed minorities, the KKK tried to quiet and destroyed minorities, etc. They failed because good men rose agaisnt them. We must do the same today. Censure motion against attempt the quiet minorities. Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:48:49, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Christian Democratic Alternative | To | Debating the Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party |
| Message | I have read the comments from the SWP and he indeed sounds like a little dictator trying to silence opposition. We will support this resolution. |
| Date | 20:28:29, March 09, 2007 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party |
| Message | If you will notice, the SWP is no longer in the leadership. Also, I did notice the phrase 'I think it would be'; despite connotations, this is generally a polite formation. I think that the heat of the moment is affecting both parties and perhaps both would benefit from a little 'alone' time. |
| Date | 20:34:25, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Popular Socialist Front | To | Debating the Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party |
| Message | Although we believe the SWP's comments to be unacceptable, we fail to understand how you can interpret the comments as racist. We think this is a little over the top. To me it seems like a petty squabble between the left and the right. |
| Date | 22:53:46, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Centrist Party | To | Debating the Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party |
| Message | It is, as you say, a little over the top. But I'm trying to make a point here. My point is that the CCM congress shouldn't quiet minority opinions. If we tolerate such unacceptable behaviour now, it will repeat itself numerous more times. SWP has the right to ignore RIR, but to ask him to leave because he is a minority opinion, is unacceptable. Evidently, NDP and Chaim believe it is acceptable to attempt to quiet down minorities. That is unfortunate. |
| Date | 14:29:30, March 10, 2007 CET | From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party |
| Message | The Centrist Party itself keeps being unpolite towards the united forces of decay. So it's quite funny that it is the Centrist Party that feels insulted by the Socialists. But they do have a point here. We fear that the socialists hope to be able to supress conservative, right-wing and other non-socialist parties in Macon, particularly in Hutori by using the union. Anyway we don't regard the socialists as racists and hope that things will change in the near future. |
| Date | 18:47:19, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party |
| Message | I wish you'd reread what I have written. The Right is Right Party attacked me directly, suggesting that I accused them of making threats and ultimatums in Congress. This was a misreading on their part, since I was pleading with the CDA not to threaten withdrawal from the Union everytime they didn't get their way. To be frank I have tried more than once to ignore the Right is Right Party, since they are not interested in actually contributing to the building of the Union. I said so in my first response to them: "We are sorry we were not more clear. We have no interest in communicating or addressing your party ever." My frustration with their party became more clear when I wrote passionately: "Frankly, no one cares if your enfeebled party opposes the Union, and I wonder why you do not leave the Congress and relieve us all of your presence." My frustration dates back to the beginning of the Union, when the Right is Right opened their communication in Congress with the statement: "I can't believe that I have missed all of these goings on, but wish to make it known that my Party is completely opposed to this Union, and will seek withdrawal as soon as we have the seats to do so." To me such an absolute position against a Union which started with such goodwill is outrageous. They continued to be disruptive, taking every chance they could to derail actual discussion, stating things like: "The Right is Right Party could not care less who runs this Union, whether they are Left, Right, Centre or whatever. We...want...out." Polite discussion with them did not, and does not, seem possible. I only responded to the Right is Right Party after they attempted to derail communication for the FOURTH time by bringing conversation back to their party, declaring: "We are telling you outright - we oppose this Union, and do not think that there should be any transfer of powers to the centre...Please get this into your heads, and enshrined into your hearts." Please understand that I only ASKED them to remove themselves after this fourth statement on their behalf that they opposed the Union. To me it seemed the height of rudeness that they continued to disrupt Congress with their statements of opposition. If they opposed the Union to such a degree that they felt the need to state so on four different occasions, it would only be logical that they would leave Congress. I NEVER ordered them to leave, and NEVER attempted to remove them myself. Their reaction escalated the controversy. It was the Right is Right Party which attempted to make the discussion personal, attacking me as loony and oppresively Marxist. They also questioned our commitment to democracy, which was rather funny since they also used the same post to brag about the fact that they were the only party in Hutori to form a noncoalition government (which incidentally was a bald faced lie). I'll quote them so that you do not consider us liars: "The Socialist Workers' Party really are the greatest example of why the Left has received the prefix - loony. As you should be aware, the Right is Right is Hutori's oldest party and well-respected by the people, having ruled in many governments and are practically the only party to have ever formed a none-coalition government in Hutori. Yes, we are lacking in numbers at the moment, but that does not make us "enfeebled". You will care about our position on the Union when we regain seats and are able to withdraw from the Union. As for your suggestion that we leave the Congress, that again is not going to happen. For as long as Hutori remains within this oppressive, Marxist body, we will have our say. But then again, socialists don't like democracy, do they?" The fact that they accused us of being an oppressive, Marxist body is especially humorous, since we have made no attempts at discussing politics in Congress, or making issues partisan. That has been the sole escape of several Hutori parties. The ONLY comment we have made in our discussions with the Right is Right Party that could possibly be considered rude would have been our mocking of them as enfeebled, which, while true, was not diplomatic. We apologize for that one comment. The ensuing comparisons made between our party and the worst examples of RL terrorists and bigots, such as the Nazi's and KKK, are absolutely absurd. We will not play games with the Centrists and return the name calling, since we would like to respect their party. Please, prove that the parties of Hutori are reasonable, and that they are willing to discuss issues in a civilized manner. We have never abandoned that path ourselves, although we have been blunt with parties which we consider unreasonable (at present we consider only the Right is Right to be such a party). I have laid the facts as clearly as possible here. It would be a sign of goodwill if the CDA and Centrists would prove themselves capable of accepting the truth by voting against this censure motion. I will post this in your national discussion board as well, since I want to clear my record. |
| Date | 20:18:35, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Catholic Workers Union | To | Debating the Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party |
| Message | You know though, I should mention how happy this bill makes me. You know you're important when other nation's pass censure motions against you. |
| Date | 22:15:29, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Censure motion against the Socialist Workers' Party |
| Message | Of course, the Socialists fail to realise that before our initial post in the Congress, we did our research on the Union and what it stood for. We did not just oppose "any" form of Union - we oppose this union. As we have also said in the Congress, we would support an economic union, but not a political union. What made the Right is Right Party the most annoyed is the fact that we were told to keep out of discussions after we raised legitimate concerns over the election term lengths and the size of legislatures. We were ignored on this. The Socialists will have to get used to opposition. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 58 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 50 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 17 |
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