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Bill: Conservative Liberal Tax Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic National Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change income taxes. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2372
Description[?]:
| The Conservative Liberal Party propose to adjust the government's income tax policy to better address the economic situation of the Axis Mundi Likatonian Res Publica. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Tax percentage of the profit made by corporations.
Old value:: 12
Current: 15
Proposed: 6
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on luxury goods.
Old value:: 10
Current: 12
Proposed: 7
Article 3
We propose to alter income tax brackets to the following setup. Information about the current income tax system can be found here.
| Bracket | Tax | Estimated Revenue |
| > 9,000 LIK | 3% | 9,218,000,000 LIK |
| > 20,000 LIK | 6% | 8,194,000,000 LIK | Total | 17,412,000,000 LIK |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:15:59, March 09, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | Of course, conservative economics again-- defund the government by letting the lucky few avoid paying taxes, and tax poor people now exempt from taxation. Fortunately, we believe Likatonians are enlightened enough to punish any parties who back this. |
| Date | 22:21:04, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | This is LIBERAL economics. We're against protectionism. |
| Date | 22:21:58, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | "we believe Likatonians are enlightened enough to punish any parties who back this" -On the contrary, any time your party has voted against our tax bills, the electorate has punished YOU! |
| Date | 22:26:36, March 09, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | Hehe...if the AMRLP were still active to split the votes of the economic far right with the ConLibs, the ConLibs would be no bigger than the current size of the AMPSD's. Meanwhile, the SSP, AMR, AM Reform party, and the former LITP have supported our recent tax bills and done quite well. |
| Date | 22:32:12, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The socialists and LRM have benefited from the demise of the Libertarians, because they all backed previous economic bills proposed by this party. You'll notice that these tax rates were backed and installed previously, before the LRM flipp-flopped. |
| Date | 22:39:11, March 09, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The AMELIP have always campaigned on a platform of higher taxation at point of sale, but lower income tax. We must have both to balance the budget, or neither. |
| Date | 22:44:45, March 09, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | We would also note that our party and the AMELIP have long agreed on those two points-- along with significant corporate taxation-- and the AMELIP has also supported strongly progressive taxes. We introduced an income tax bill last term, for which the AMELIP voted but stated that they preferred even lower middle class rates in return for higher rates on the uber-rich. We then complied and offered a bill to do exactly that. When we have differed with the AMELIP, it has been on how much revenue is necessary-- we would like more than we have-- but they have always been on our side, and us on theirs, about how best to collect it. |
| Date | 22:58:29, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | the legislative history of this nation would suggest differently than the fiction which the PSD are trying to sell to this parliament. Of course this isn't the only piece of fiction which that party are trying to sell. Axis Mundi is obviously a dream which will be shattered. |
| Date | 23:04:15, March 09, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The only tax-related dispute between the AMELIP and the AMPSD was related to our using all surpluses to increase spending rather than reduce taxes. The AMELIP-- them, not us-- proposed and passed a tax plan with a 50% top rate (and a 66% band that was at a level high enough that no current Likatonian would pay it). They then supported sales and corporate tax increases, but wanted the money to be used for income tax cuts rather than the additional expenditures that we wanted, leading to an explosion and a short-lived period of anger between our parties. We now recognize that we can get the progressivity we desire, and more expenditures than the ConLibs want, although we can never get the level of expenditures that we believe are truly necessary-- or, at least that we are unlikely to get AMELIP support for them. |
| Date | 23:11:02, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The AMPSD are correct; in the main we will support similar taxation policies, however there are limits, and when we don't concur, we can vote seperately, and resolve matters that way. |
| Date | 23:34:52, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=103212 |
| Date | 23:37:06, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=104754 |
| Date | 23:38:34, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The LRM and LITP are welcome to vote against this bill, but it is a complete flipp-flopp and the electorate as the records above show. The electorate will punish those parties, as they have punished the PSD's if they do not continue to support the Liberal Tax policies which they have been. |
| Date | 23:42:45, March 09, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The AMELIP would happily support the income tax measures, but have specifically stated that we wish to see higher Sales and Corporate taxes. That has been true for many years. Once again, the ConLibs fail to understand simple points. We wish we could dumb things down further for you. |
| Date | 23:47:59, March 09, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | Oh, so they once voted for a tax bill of yours-- an income tax cut that they likely wanted to make up for with consumption taxes. Legislative history reveals a lot of things, such as how the ConLibs were once great lovers of the income tax: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=102241 While the ConLibs said they wished to go further in flattening taxes, we find it strange that the rates they felt were at least acceptable then-- enough to sponsor the proposal-- are much higher than those they find horrendous now. Of course, they always loved taxing the poor: 18% on the poorest Likatonians. |
| Date | 01:00:54, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The PopLibs are attempting to manipulate that bill. It was a long time a go and during atime of high taxation. All of the tax rates in that bill you quoted above, were lower tax rates that the rates which wer ein effect at the time. This is not a nutty tax party. This is a sensible tax party. We've lowered taxes so much since our foundation. Quoted what was most likely our first tax bill all those years ago, is really quite irrelevent on the current affairs and does not back up your point of view. "Oh, so they once voted for a tax bill of yours-- " No, they twice voted for a tax bill of ours. |
| Date | 02:00:26, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | There is no Axis Mundi fiscal agenda. Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Partei would, personally, vote for 99% taxation. We have seen other AM parties extend their opinions quite the other way. Obviously there is no overall agenda for AM - on this matter, like all others. The ConLibs are showing their true colours. |
| Date | 02:38:06, March 10, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | That's so true. Remember, the AMRLP-- radical libertarians-- were an AM party, and they'd almost certainly vote in favor of this if they were here. Of course, the ConLibs would have many fewer seats than they do if they were, as the AMRLP would have split the ultraconservative economy vote with them. |
| Date | 02:48:26, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The Sturm und Drang faction sincerely hopes our libertarian allies in the AM RLP manage to regain their Convocation standing soon. They are sorely missed. But, as the AM PSD points out, there is no argument of an overarching AM fiscal agenda - we've had big spenders, big taxers, small spenders, small taxers... pick an end of the spectrum and it ha been represented at some point. The ConLib attacks would be laughable, if it were not for how earnestly they seem to believe them. |
| Date | 03:25:49, March 10, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | The final vote here can only be described as conclusive. |
| Date | 11:39:49, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | We never said there was an AM policy of economics. We said that the Axis 'of evil Mundi is purely a power-mad deal or parties, some of which would be completely issolated by the main-stream parties if they didn't have this Axis, agreement, with other parties, particularly the PSD's. |
| Date | 14:36:58, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | So... if it wsn't for the fact that the PDS are not isolated, they... would be isolated? Wise words indeed from the ConLIbs. In next week's statement, the ConLibs intend to explain how orange is the same as orange? |
| Date | 14:58:43, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | AMSDP are a very confused, deluded party. |
| Date | 19:48:28, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | ConLibs lack any argument, so resort to insults? |
| Date | 21:35:50, March 10, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | Gee, if becoming the biggest party in Likatonia is the electorate punishing us, we can only hope they are into extended bouts of BDSM. Bring out the whips. Er, that aside, we support. |
| Date | 21:36:49, March 10, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | Gee, if becoming the biggest party in Likatonia is the electorate punishing us, we can only hope they are into extended bouts of BDSM. Bring out the whips. Er, that aside, we support. |
| Date | 23:05:23, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | Come now, we know that the AM LRM's desire for whips and chains has nothing to do with electoral success... they are just fun. :-) |
| Date | 13:16:16, March 11, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | Self flagellation is very much in our religious doctrine, although whipping others is something left to the individual conscience of the churchgoer. |
| Date | 13:50:20, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | This sounds strangely like the doctrine preached by Rev. Edmund L'Addernoir... we applaud the vigour with which the AM LRM adhere to their principles, despite the obvious pain and suffering it brings them. |
| Date | 14:03:26, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | We hope that the Sturm und Drang faction are not advocating that normal people should listen to that crackpot l'Addernoir? Surely this isn't something anyone should support, per se? We would remind our convocation colleagues that the recent research done by Dr S Johnson, at Sorbanika State, which concluded "A flagellant who is an influence for the good is like a dog who speaks: very rare." |
| Date | 14:05:09, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | Ah, but did Dr Johnson not also find "A flagellant who can change a Head of State's mind is like a dog that speaks Lodamunese: even rarer!". Wise words. We should all think about that. |
| Date | 14:08:35, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | True. We shall consider that sentiment. Perhaps it is worth appointing Dr Johnson to an quasi-autonomous non-governmental research group to investigate the benefits. Perhaps we may in future introduce it into the Convocation...similar to the complimentary masseuses that were once so popular... |
| Date | 14:14:30, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Conservative Liberal Tax Bill |
| Message | If the AM ELIP wish to nominate Dr Johnson to some advisory capacity, the AM SuDP endorse their decision, and offer to second such a nomination. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 80 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 119 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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