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Bill: Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2372
Description[?]:
| Acknowledging that this is a partisan arrangement, the Sturm und Drang Partei has decided to suggest this cabinet anyway. Our reasons are several. First and foremost, the Sturm und Drang Partei is not happy that Axis Mundi parties were left out of earlier cabinets (despite holding high percentages of vote share, and the Emissary candidacy) purely because of their affiliation with the Axis Mundi. The second reason is that we are no longer sure we even CAN have a non-partisan cabinet in Likatonia. The Emissary spent a deal of time over this proposal, trying to decide whether other parties should be included, to make a 'unity' cabinet, but we are just unsure there is support for it. We desperately wanted to bring the Civil Liberties Party on board, and felt that the Socijalisticka Stranka Pravde should be represented - but we have seen simply too much partisanship and anti-Axis Mundi ill will to be sure such a proposal would be more than an efficient way to waste trees. The third reason is the simple fact that the Axis Mundi (despite their differences) currently holds a majority of the provinces of this fine nation, and the majority of seats in the Convocation. In terms of ease, then, we can be fairly sure that our Axis Mundi allies will probably support, and that such a cabinet will not be entirely ineffective. We are pushing this straight to vote, in order that ANY cabinet get elected. We do, however, welcome any CONSTRUCTIVE commentary from non-Axis Mundi parties. The 'unity' cabinet proposal IS on the table, if it is realistic. |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Commonwealth Workers Army
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the AM Populist Social Democrats
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the AM Populist Social Democrats
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the AM Feminazi Movement
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the AM Feminazi Movement
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the AM Feminazi Movement
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Commonwealth Workers Army
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the AM Populist Social Democrats
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Commonwealth Workers Army
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the AM Feminazi Movement
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the 
Likaton Coalition of the Willing
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Likaton Coalition of the Willing
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Likaton Coalition of the Willing
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:45:39, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372 |
| Message | "First and foremost, the Sturm und Drang Partei is not happy that Axis Mundi parties were left out of earlier cabinets (despite holding high percentages of vote share, and the Emissary candidacy) purely because of their affiliation with the Axis Mundi." The AM parties were never left out of any cabinet. There was always an AM party in cabinet proposals and none have been passed since that time. The fact that this is the third AM Cabinet proposal only goes to support the claims which us Conservative Liberals have been making about the Axis Mundi. That said, The ConLibs would indeed support a unity cabinet provided it is fair and there is a proportionate respesentation of all the parties in the Convocation. |
| Date | 19:14:10, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372 |
| Message | A couple of points, again: One: At least two Axis Mundi aprties WERE left out of the cabinet Im discussing. Not only that, but those two parties were the Head of State party, and the largest party in the Convocation - at that point. Two: We are an affiliation of parties - not one big party. You can't placate the Sturm und Drang Partei just by offering seats to ONE AM party, any more than the ConLibs would feel gratified by the CivLibs gaining seats. To say that the AM wasn't excluded because "there was always an AM party in cabinet proposals" is laughable... until recently there were five AM parties... so only INCLUDING one, IS excluding four. Three: Actually, while we appreciate the ConLib opinion on this matter, they are not 'top of the list' for possible 'unity cabinets'. Indeed, they are going to need to make up a hell of a lot of ground before the Sturm und Drang Partei is going to even consider offering them anything. Of course - we do not speak for the WHOLE Axis Mundi. Maybe someone feeling more willing to compromise with the intolerance of the ConLibs will be willing to offer 'unity'. Sturm und Drang doesn't feel compelled to move that way yet. Of course - this only applies to the ConLibs - we have far less reason to be suspect of the other Likatonian parties. |
| Date | 19:24:04, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372 |
| Message | "One: At least two Axis Mundi aprties WERE left out of the cabinet Im discussing. Not only that, but those two parties were the Head of State party, and the largest party in the Convocation - at that point." this really is a pointless argument. In the previous cabinet which an AM party proposed, the HoS party, largest party and second largets parties were left out of the proposal. So it is pointless. Also, you say that Axis Mundi is not an agreement, nothing to do with partisan politics, yet you talk and act as if Axis Mundi is an arrangement. This is why the ConLibs and other parties are furious at AM. "We are an affiliation of parties - not one big party. You can't placate the Sturm und Drang Partei just by offering seats to ONE AM party, any more than the ConLibs would feel gratified by the CivLibs gaining seats. To say that the AM wasn't excluded because "there was always an AM party in cabinet proposals" is laughable... until recently there were five AM parties... so only INCLUDING one, IS excluding four." So this is a partisan arrangement. And if for example a bunch of like-minded ecnomic parties were to propose a cabinet compriisng of say two AM parties and two non AM parties, that would be against the Axis Mundi agreement? This is what's really laughable. "Three: Actually, while we appreciate the ConLib opinion on this matter, they are not 'top of the list' for possible 'unity cabinets'. Indeed, they are going to need to make up a hell of a lot of ground before the Sturm und Drang Partei is going to even consider offering them anything." We are well aware of the threat which your party poses to the ConLibs. We feel there is a threat of your party proposing a "unity cabinet" excluding the ConLibs only, as you hinted in the start of this bill. That is pure bullying and I'm confident that not every party would support that position. We are not going to become an AM party. We are not going to change any of our policies, just like we wouldn't expect your party to "make up a hell of a lot of ground" if the tides were turned. However I will say this to the parties concerened about cabinet positions, particularly those who have always been in cabinet and now take it for granted that you will always have positions - If you consistantly exlcude non-AM parties from government, how can you expect them to include you in government in the future. Axis Mundi parties will not always have a majority in this parliament. It is a major miscalculation if you think so. |
| Date | 19:42:11, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372 |
| Message | "this really is a pointless argument. In the previous cabinet which an AM party proposed, the HoS party, largest party and second largets parties were left out of the proposal. So it is pointless. Also, you say that Axis Mundi is not an agreement, nothing to do with partisan politics, yet you talk and act as if Axis Mundi is an arrangement. This is why the ConLibs and other parties are furious at AM. " AM SuDP is not convinced that all aprties ARE furious at the AM. We are not convinced that bad feeling is caused by the AM, we think it is stirred up by the ConLibs trying to rabblerouse. You notice that large parties and Head of State parties were excluded by some AM offerings - but you don't make the connection. You see it as pointless, we see it as very pointy - it is entirely illustrating what we saw as unfair in the first place. "So this is a partisan arrangement. And if for example a bunch of like-minded ecnomic parties were to propose a cabinet compriisng of say two AM parties and two non AM parties, that would be against the Axis Mundi agreement? This is what's really laughable." The ConLibs entirely miss the point. Previous cabinets deliberately excluded AM parties JUST because they were AM... a discrimination absed entirely on an organisation affiliation. "We are well aware of the threat which your party poses to the ConLibs. We feel there is a threat of your party proposing a "unity cabinet" excluding the ConLibs only, as you hinted in the start of this bill. That is pure bullying and I'm confident that not every party would support that position. We are not going to become an AM party. We are not going to change any of our policies, just like we wouldn't expect your party to "make up a hell of a lot of ground" if the tides were turned. " To be honest, AM SuDP wouldn't want the ConLibs in the Axis Mundi - as far as the AM SuDP is concerned, the ConLibs are not 'team players', and have no intention of ever compromising or seeking the things Axis Mundi parties hold dear: stability and accord. That isn't 'bullying'. "However I will say this to the parties concerened about cabinet positions, particularly those who have always been in cabinet and now take it for granted that you will always have positions - If you consistantly exlcude non-AM parties from government, how can you expect them to include you in government in the future. Axis Mundi parties will not always have a majority in this parliament. It is a major miscalculation if you think so." The ConLibs might want to review the election history of this nation. It is true that the Axis Mundi willlikely not ALWAYS have a majority, but our policy of toleration does seem to have borne some strange fruit in the history of this nation. |
| Date | 20:27:45, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372 |
| Message | We could go on but we feel that it this conversation is getting nasty and the SuDP are unwilling to listen to what we have to say. We'll leave the conversation here in best interests of stability, tolerence and unity. |
| Date | 20:39:10, March 10, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372 |
| Message | The Clibs appear to be struggling with the twin demons of amnesia and dissasociative identity disorder. |
| Date | 04:49:17, March 11, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372 |
| Message | We see it as far less of a partisan arrangement than the ConLibs are suggesting. We will vote for AM cabinets that represent our party fairly, as this one does. However, we would be equally willing to vote for a 2 AM/2 non-AM cabinet that was ideologically pleasing to us (if it also provided a majority, which is necessary to pass)-- say, us, the CivLibs, RWL, and AM Sturm and Drang. That wouldn't be a majority this session, so we might then include the AMELIP if we were attempting to get it passed. That said, we are satisfied enough with this cabinet that we feel no need to undertake such an effort. |
| Date | 06:58:03, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Cabinet Proposal of January 2372 |
| Message | This is our case in point - the AM PSD are possibly the most 'reasonable' party in the AM fold, which is one of their great strengths. They have always been willing to compromise, and don't blur their agenda just for convenience - we know that if they thought the 'unity' cabinet was the very best thing for Likatonia, they would fight us (the AM SuDP - I don't rpetend to speak for ALL AM parties). The invitation is out there, for other parties to discuss cabinets. The AM SuDP are happy to make the AM PSD our 'representative' in these dealings, since we trust them to pick what is best for Likatonia. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 108 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 91 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Particracy allows you to establish an unelected head of state like a monarch or a president-for-life, but doing this is a bit of a process. First elect a candidate with the name "." to the Head of State position. Then change your law on the "Structure of the executive branch" to "The head of state is hereditary and symbolic; the head of government chairs the cabinet" and change the "formal title of the head of state" to how you want the new head of state's title and name to appear (eg. King Percy XVI). |
| Random quote: "History is made by angry minorities, not by passive majorities." - Fareed Zakaria |