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Bill: The Aldegarian Patriot Act

Details

Submitted by[?]: Aldegar Freedom Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: January 2407

Description[?]:

Family First believes that this nation's people should be proud to live in this great nation, and that this pride should be exercised through patriotic practices in the daily life of anyone fortunate enough to call this nation home.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date16:25:25, March 12, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democrats
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageWe do not agree with this article because it is too agressive. We cannot force our children to drone the anthem everyday. That is brainwash. We suggest that we make our Nation a place where everyone is happy, regardless of their belief, origin or race. That will have much more of an effect than pointless indoctrination. Rather we propose that no kind of symbol can be desecreated, not just our own, and the national anthem should be more than an everyday song, one that can be performed only for the most important holidays. That way it will be appreciated more.

Date00:22:56, March 13, 2007 CET
FromCommunist Party of Aldegar
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageIt is a sign of true freedom in a nation that the people can burn their flag. Therefore, we can never support Article One. As for the playing of the anthem, that constitutes social conditioning, so we again will not support it.

Date14:22:47, March 13, 2007 CET
FromGreenpeace Party
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageWe think that the flag represents the Republic, its values its constitution. Therefore it is not acceptable that this does not come protected which symbol of national identity. We are convinced that to burn the republican flag it is not a sign of freedom but of incivility. Not to recognize the freedom of all the citizens, that they fuse the Republic, burning some the flag means to be of the vandals and not free citizens.
We support, from the government, this law, only and if article two will come removed, in how much the hymn does not only have to be tax, like every other institutional , religious and confessional symbol.

Date15:42:18, March 13, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageThe TCP would like to suggest that, first of all, anyone who has an opposition to this bill is un-Aldegarian. If one is not proud of one's country, not even proud enough to NOT burn its flag or sing a simple song every day at school, it really speaks volumes about one's character.
Anyone who does not like this nation, or its values, enough to burn its flag, can get out of this country.
This nation flag represents everything this nation stands for. To desecrate the flag, the TCP believes, is to spit in the face of countless YEARS of this nations history and tradition, and to spit in the face of every single war veteran who has sacraficed their lives for the sake of protecting the values this nation promotes.
As far as the TCP is concerned, burning the flag should be an offence punishable by imprisonment. It is a disgraceful and completely unnessicary insult to what this nation stands for. Anyone who burns the flag or refuses to sing this nation's anthem should go and live in a nation whose culture they DO like. Its simple - you don't like this nation or its ways? Get out. Certainly, heretics such as these people are not wanted here. The TCP is absolutely certain the people would agree with this, even if the leftist parties of this nation - who seem to want to bring about the destruction of our national identity so, so much - do not.

Date17:53:52, March 13, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democrats
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageWe cannot agree with this hateful tone of the TCP.

We, the Social Democrats will never say to anyone "Get Out!" We cannot be so harsh to tell to parties who are representatives of people, that they are un-Aldegarian. That means that we are insulting at least half of the electorate. That means, if we may theorise that the TCP accuses everyone but themselves to be unworthy to live in this Nation and should (quote) get out. (unquote)

If the flag burning is so offensive to a certain part of our society, we can accept to support that article, because our stance is to never provoke any kind of hatred or discrimination of any part of the society, minority or majority. At the same time we demand a similar bill be accepted that also prevents all other national symbols to be equally protected (the flags of other countries, for example).

However we cannot support that the national anthem must be sung every morning. This will have a detrimental effect to our youth, because they will just be fed up with it and not appreciate it for what it really is, a song that everyone could to some extent identify with. We believe that it is better to teach the youth about acceptance, solidarity, peace, justice... Better to teach them our core values, than just indoctrinate them with the icing of the cake. If a cake looks good it doesn't mean it is edible, however if it is not covered with an icing, it might still be delicious.

We feel that the TCP is missing the point yet again.

Date11:20:17, March 14, 2007 CET
FromS.C.A.F.R.
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageArt. 2 is terrify. We think that only a fascist nation can accept that bill. Aldegar isn't fascist. These ideologies of patrioctism have failed.
We will accept to vote this bill if our flag will change. The hawk is a fascist symbol.

Date11:25:39, March 14, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageThis nation's 'core values', of which the SD speak so illusively, are deeply embedded in the flag and anthem of this nation. Perhaps, as the SD said, teaching the substance of these values is more important than what the SD may view as superficial representations of these values, but they are representations nonetheless, and flying the flag proudly and singing this nation's anthem both show respect and affection for this nation, and its values. The 'core values' of this nation are deeply intergrated into the flag and the anthem - to burn the flag, a symbol of the 'core values' that this nation stands for, is to spit in the face of this nation's values - the same values the SD talks of. The only 'detriment' to this nation's youth will be the anti-Aldegarian preachings of flag burners, the defacement of this nation's 'core values'. If the SD wants a nation full of children who can't even remember the words, or tune, of their nation's national anthem, or know the name of their nation's president, or remember the nation's history, then opposing this bill is a great way to start. It begins with the forgetfullness of the national anthem, and may evolve into the forgetfullness of what this nation stands for.
The TCP may change Article 1 to state that no nation's flag may be burned, but the party reminds steadfast on Article 2, and cannot see why it is too much to ask that this nation's children show a small tokin of respect every morning to the nation that they are privelaged to live in.
Yes, the substance of the cake is what really matters, but the entire essence of the cakes flavour is within the icing. Without the icing, the cake does not taste, or appear, as good.

Date18:07:25, March 14, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democrats
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageAnd this is why we stated in the SD that TCP has missed the point completely. By not singing the anthem everyday we are cherishing it even more - we are saving our precious song only for the most special purposes. The TCP may perhaps wish to explain to us why they believe that not singing the anthem everyday is the same as not knowing the history of our country.

A proper "patriot" act is in the opinion of SD one that implements national history and citizenship classes in schools instead of totalitarian demands.

Date06:46:47, March 15, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageThe TCP explained previously to the SD, and will remind them again, that such a thing as forgetting the words or tune to ones own national anthem seems like something relatively small, but may lead to a general lack of interest in the keeping of knowledge of the nation's history, culture, etc. Such a seemingly small tokin as singing the nation's national anthem reminds young children of the privelage they have of living in this great nation, and should inspire a sense of pride in each and every one of them. Without this formal link to their heritage and their nation, they are more unlikely to be proud and be inspired to learn more about their nation.
Claims made by the SD that the TCP's proposals are, in any way, 'totalitarian demands', are quite simply absurd. Hitler killed thousands of people in the name of a rediculous selection of ethnicity, Stalin had the KGB brutally murder anyone who spoke one word against the communist government with ice picks during the night, Chairman Mao Zedong forced his entire populace to wear overalls. THAT'S totalitarian. Asking that children simply sing a national anthem of THEIR OWN nation, for no longer than two or three minutes every morning, is not totalitarian. It's a case of pride. It's more than reasonable.

Date08:41:42, March 15, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democrats
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageWe wish only to add two things:

- how did the TCP reason that if one sings the anthem every morning, he does not forget the tunes, and if he does not do so, he does not know the anthem anymore?

- is it not totalitarian to demand from the entire nation to perform a ritual every morning? It reminds us of the Mao example - he probably argued that the nation was wearing "national robes"

Date15:14:06, March 15, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageThe TCP reminds the SD that having to wear overalls in communist China, completely destroying any individuality and fashion and freedom to express yourselves through what you wear is a very, very different thing to singing a 2 to 3 minute anthem every morning. The two can hardly be compared. No, it is not totalitarian to expect this 2 to 3 minute 'ritual'. If singing the anthem is so hard and tedious, and such an unnessicary and laboursome 'ritual', then the TCP struggles to find what the SD would consider to be a reasonable act of showing respect for your nation. Surely singing the anthem is the most fundamental and basic respects to your country - what's next, will the SD try and get rid of our flag altogether? Get rid of our Olympics team? Have some pride in your country.

Date16:15:28, March 15, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democrats
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageOur argument stands. How did the TCP reason that if one sings the anthem every morning, he does not forget the tunes and appreciates it, whereas if he does not, he does not know the lyrics and does not respect it?

Is it neccessary? Is it just? We have many foreigners in our school system as well nowadays after the immigration act that was proposed by SD was passed. Foreign citizens will also sing the anthem?

We have much greater concerns in our country than this pointless debate.

Date01:45:02, March 16, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageForeigners in this nation must adhere to the culture and traditions of this nation just as much as anyone born here. If they are going to be members of this nation it is required that they are intergrated properly, and adopt the national anthem and flag as if it were their own. Otherwise, in the TCP's view, they will always just be visitors to this country, outsiders.
Whilst the SD may view this debate as 'pointless', about 80 percent of this nations fine people, the TCP is aboslutely certain, will agree with the TCP in saying that this is not a 'pointless' debate, but instead a very crucial debate. Maybe the SD does not have pride in their nation but the fine people of this nation DO have pride. They are the ones who feel like vommitting when they see rioters burning their flag on telivision. And none of them would find it at all innappropriate, at all 'totalitarian', to sing a 2, to 3 minute national anthem, to show their respect and gratitude to the fine country they live in, each morning. None of them would find it at ALL unreasonable to ban the burning of their flag, the ICON, the SYMBOL of everything this nation stands for!
However, clearly the TCP has been preaching upon deaf ears. The TCP will no longer debate this issue.

Date16:09:54, March 18, 2007 CET
FromParty of Moderates
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageWell, even though the lefties are against this bill, we moderates are for it. We see no reason why this bill shouldn't be passed. It will heighten patriotism without hurting freedom very much at all. After all, I'm sure people are able to protest without burning flags, and I'm sure that little children won't be offended that they have to sing the national anthem.

Date10:50:33, March 21, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageThe TCP thanks the PM. We may wait until the PM inevitably gains popularity amongst the electorate to move this bill to a vote, simply so that the PM can provide its support.

Date07:18:53, May 18, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the The Aldegarian Patriot Act
MessageOOC: Again, I realise that this bill is out of date and that one of the articles has already been resolved in recent legislation, but I want to get this bill out of the way so it's not cluttering the bills under debate area, and I figured I might as well put it up for a vote.

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