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Bill: Gaudium Et Spes
Details
Submitted by[?]: Luthori Tory Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2374
Description[?]:
| By this bill, we the Tory Party of the Holy Luthori Empire do hope to set our people and our nation back upon the path of righteousness, and drive out the evils that infest our land. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning granting citizenship.
Old value:: Citizenship is gained by passing a qualifying exam.
Current: Citizenship is granted to all nationals.
Proposed: Citizenship is granted to all nationals.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The right to euthanasia.
Old value:: Euthanasia is illegal but not considered murder.
Current: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Proposed: Euthanasia is illegal and considered murder.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Appointments and requirements for government employees.
Old value:: Government employees are selected and appointed in a political way.
Current: All government employees have to promise political independence.
Proposed: All government employees have to promise political independence.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Holy Luthori Emperor's Viceroy
Current: His Irrevocable Imperial Majesty, by the Almighty's Grace, Inheritor of the House of Elior, Inheritor of the House of Orange-Villayn, Inheritor of the House of Rothingren-Traugott, Albert, Emperor of Luthori, King of Mordusia, King of Rutania, Meleh (King) of the Yeudi Homeland, Head of the House of Orange-Villayn Armstead, Duke of Alcarie, Duke of Canterwall, Holder of the Yeudi Crown of 8 Gems, Supreme Governor of the Church, Defender of the Faith, Defender of the Holy Land.
Proposed: His Imperial Majesty the Emperor of Luthori, Ruler of the Four Kingdoms, Defender of the Faith, King of Kings, Ruling Over Rulers.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military actively seeks to remove homosexuals from it.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Proposed: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: The military acts as a de-facto police force, with powers of arrest.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:58:19, March 13, 2007 CET | From | Imperium et Libertas Party | To | Debating the Gaudium Et Spes |
| Message | I'm afraid we can't support this bill as it stands. To take the articles in turn. Article I- We think there's some solid constitutional reason why this is currently like it is. We'll be honest. We can't remember what that is. But the ABCD might know. Have you met the ABCD? Terribly clever chaps. Know about all that constitutional business. And sums. They're very good at sums. Article II- This, on the other hand, is rather splendid. It could do with some Latin to make it sound fancy. But you can't have everything, as nursey used to say. Article III- Absolutely not! We've only just changed it so it's granted to landowners. (Vote finishes in two months). And that was a bally struggle, so we're not changing it back. Article IV- No. This sounds right but when you look at it closely it falls apart. It means that government employees fail to reflect the will of the electorate. Article V- We'd support this, but considering the amount of times we've been shouted down when suggesting that identity cards shouldn't be compulsory to carry, we don't fancy your chances. Article VI- Too costly in terms of policing this article. Ten out of ten for morality. Minus several thousand for common sense. Article VII- We're ambivalent. We'd possibly support a bill with this proviso if we liked the rest of the bill. Article VIII- We refer the honourable gentlemen to our comments on Article VI. |
| Date | 14:10:27, March 13, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Tory Party | To | Debating the Gaudium Et Spes |
| Message | We respond to your points in the same format:- Article I- It was probably after the disastrous series of failed coalitions we had about fifty years ago, IIRC...The Imperial Party caused a lot of kerfuffle as usual... Article II- Well, quite. But it takes quite a lot of translating...we can do that once it gets through. Article III- Is it not the right of all free-born men and women to be considered <i>quirites</i>? All men are born equal, after all, in the image and likeness of God. To go against this sacred truth would be a grave heresy. Article IV- Rather, it would mean that they are not subject to the whims of parties. And independant civil service is the only way to ensure that the people are not oppressed, and saves an awful lot of time, effort and money in swapping jobs every 42 months...Also, it means that should government collapse, there is still an infrastructure that can continue the day-to-day management of the country regardless. Article V- Yes, well so have we, and we're sick of it. But as we have stated, 'we shall never surrender'.. Article VI- Morality overrides cost. Article VII- Making the armed forces also act as police creates an unconscionable conflict of interest. Article VIII- As do we. |
| Date | 14:24:22, March 13, 2007 CET | From | Falanges Party | To | Debating the Gaudium Et Spes |
| Message | Article 1: it is good as it is currently. Article 2: of course Article 3: actually we are against the situation now and in your proposal: we are with a semi presidential system Article 4: Against Article 5: see article 3 Article6 and 8: Yes Article 7: No |
| Date | 18:47:44, March 13, 2007 CET | From | Catholic Justicial Party - Solidarity | To | Debating the Gaudium Et Spes |
| Message | A lot of good ideas here but since we recently agreed to change the rules on the head of state we can't support this. |
| Date | 20:34:25, March 13, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Gaudium Et Spes |
| Message | This bill would result in the RBP Viceroy as Emperor - someone who isn't of royal blood and doesn't even have a majestic name! We need to elect an appropriate Viceroy before elevating them to such a position. |
| Date | 20:44:05, March 13, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Tory Party | To | Debating the Gaudium Et Spes |
| Message | True. |
| Date | 15:04:36, March 14, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Gaudium Et Spes |
| Message | Given our mixed reactions to various articles in this bill we have no choice but to abstain. |
| Date | 15:06:41, March 14, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Tory Party | To | Debating the Gaudium Et Spes |
| Message | Fair enough. We thought we'd give it a run anyway. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 51 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 86 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 18 |
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