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Bill: P.O.B. 2373/1/A

Details

Submitted by[?]: S.C.A.F.R.

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: January 2375

Description[?]:

This is a package of bills.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date11:48:02, March 14, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageThe TCP sees no need for any of these changes, except for the national ID card, which could be beneficial to the security of this nation and its people. However, the change that the SCA has proposed to the national motto is abhorrent. The word 'equality', in the TCP's perspective, denotes a communist\socialist ideological outlook. As long as the TCP has one breath in its body, this nation will not be corrupted by communist rubbish.
The rest of these proposals, in the TCP's view, are simply spitting in the face of this nation's tradition, for no substantial reason whatsoever.

Date18:17:01, March 14, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democrats
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageWe wish to remind the TCP of their agressive tone, which they could do without. Nobody has said, for example, to the TCP that they are conservative cancer in our politics, so we ask them not to use such a language.

We suggest not to change the tradition in article 8, as well as expressing our view that fewer seats would actually improve the transparency of this parliament - it would be easier to count the seats, so at least make it an even number. As to the lenght of the term, we have no opinion, in general we believe shorter terms are better. We do wish to comment on article 4, we propose to add the word "solidarity" into the motto, and if the equality is not acceptable, we suggest "equal opportunities"

In conclusion we wish to express dissapointment that the TCP will have the power to prevent constructive improvements for our people and our nation yet again. We hope that in the future they will surprise us in a positive way and be a part of our decisionmaking process.

Date07:08:39, March 15, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageThe TCP suggests that not one of these changes is 'constructive', but rather, irrelevant. None of these changes are for a particularly important purpose, other than to change things simply for the sake of change. There is nothing wrong with the way this nation has always been, and therefore, the TCP is certain that these changes are merely change for change's sake. In response to the SD's claims, the TCP reminds the SD that the only reason the party ever challenges or rejects any of the other parties bills is because every single party in this nation is forever trying to curb its policies to the left.

Date08:50:09, March 15, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democrats
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageWe on the other hand feel that without change there will be stagnation. And with stagnation there will be decay. We need to strive for improvement in any way possible, but improvement must be preceeded by constructive dialogue.

Date10:09:42, March 15, 2007 CET
FromS.C.A.F.R.
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageWe want to change this state. We think that 699 seats are better, in this way small parties can have a lot of visibility. We think that a governement have to work for 4 years. Last governement we don't have oppportunity to create and debate the budget proposal and the taxation spending bill. We think that the word"equality" is better, but we can change it with the world "rights". Our Republic is a State, not the territorial regions. We have to call these "Regions"; is simply. The parliament is calling Grand Council: this is the name that it has under monarchy, i suppose, and we want to change it. Chancellor is the same, we don't like it and we want to change. Who is the Chancellor? is the chief of gabinet. Were is the problem?

I think that we have to change. The old status quo is dangerous for next generation and for our Republic.

Date12:30:39, March 15, 2007 CET
FromGreenpeace Party
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageWe agree with thew SCA.

Date14:57:40, March 15, 2007 CET
FromAldegar Freedom Party
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageThe TCP perceive nothing wrong with the status quo! What is the point in changing the name of the Grand Council? Or the Chancellor? Such a change is merely a meaningless severance of tradition, for no reason other than the fact that parties like the SCA are scared of tradition, and constantly want change where there is no need for it.

Date16:19:20, March 15, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democrats
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageIf we observe the tendencies of our electorate, the TCP is constantly losing percentage points against the SD and other left-centre parties. It will not be long when it will not have the chance to prevent us from changes. We appeal the SCA to wait with these proposals until we secure 2/3, immediately after that we will make all the changes necessary.

Socialist Regards!

Date01:26:33, March 16, 2007 CET
FromCommunist Party of Aldegar
ToDebating the P.O.B. 2373/1/A
MessageWe oppose ID cards - they do not stop crime or terrorism. We are indifferent to the rest, however.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 187

no
    

Total Seats: 463

abstain
  

Total Seats: 0


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