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Bill: CA Morality Platform

Details

Submitted by[?]: Conservative Alliance

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2379

Description[?]:

To establish ourselves as the traditionalists in the right-wing cabinet, a clarification of our morals.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date20:52:08, March 24, 2007 CET
FromPopular Socialist Front
ToDebating the CA Morality Platform
MessageI agree with 1, 4 and 6 only.

Date23:35:48, March 24, 2007 CET
FromImperialist Party
ToDebating the CA Morality Platform
MessageI am afraid I disagree with 2, 6 - and possibly 5.

Firstly, I do think it is in the interest of the state to encourage child-birth, but further, that welfare systems based simply on the income of recipients misses the fact that different people have different needs. Large families have higher costs, but not higher incomes and so can be 'poor' despite having a higher income than a single person. It is in the interest of the state to ensure that those children get the resources necessary for them to grow up into productive citizens.

Secondly, with 6, there are public bads associated with tobacco - it is not just a matter of individual choice, because that choice impacts others through 1. second hand smoke and 2. health costs associated with lung cancer. As much as individuals may assert that they choose to be smokers, it is well known that smoking is physically addictive. Is it a choice or a pathology? So the individual good is questionable, and the public good suggests restriction. If we can stop MOST people from smoking, it will become socially less acceptable to smoke and the problem will largely take care of itself.

Thirdly, the problem with 5 is that I am not sure whether those private schools will teach good civic values. Further, it may reduce societal integration by separating out students of one religion, or social class from the rest. When rich students and poor students go to the same school they can work together to make sure it is a good school. When you give the rich a separate system, however, you lose a lot of the un-quantified benefits of, for instance, parents with the ability to afford the time needed to serve on the PTA, and so on. Because the poor have little political voice it is hard for them to advocate if they have unequal institutions with the rich.


Date23:44:09, March 24, 2007 CET
FromConservative Alliance
ToDebating the CA Morality Platform
MessageSmoking is a difficult issue within the CA itself, and one that we may well be changing our stance on. However, as this is a platform there is no intention of getting it passed, only to inform the people on Telamon what we stand for.

Date03:18:00, March 25, 2007 CET
FromCatholic Workers Union
ToDebating the CA Morality Platform
MessageWe absolutely oppose Article 5. Telamon's recent policy history has been centered entirely around the success of our public health and education institutions, and our committment to equal care and opportunity. That is enough to poison a bill for us.

The rest is generally too liberal however.

Date16:03:40, March 25, 2007 CET
FromConservative Alliance
ToDebating the CA Morality Platform
MessageLiberal? Please. We are traditionalist libertarians.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 211

no
  

Total Seats: 209

abstain
  

Total Seats: 181


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