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Bill: Green charter schools

Details

Submitted by[?]: Cooperative Commonwealth Federation

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2087

Description[?]:

Those interested in developing a closer relationship with nature should be allowed to set up "green schools."

These schools would obtain a special permit freeing them from government regulation. Designated environment groups would be allowed to set up their own schools, with the purpose of fostering environmental knowledge, awareness, and action.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date20:23:09, July 25, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageNo chance. Any specialist groups may set up their own private schools, but no tax payer money will be dedicated to these causes. Fund them from voluntary donations if they are popular, if they are not popular, then they should not exist.

Date22:51:08, July 25, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageGovernment preference toward special interests? Not on my watch.

Date22:04:07, July 26, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Green charter schools
Messagelet's give it a shot anyway...

Date22:16:21, July 26, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Green charter schools
Message((Green Advantage, are you aware of the July 2086 elections?))

Date01:59:32, July 27, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageNice debating skills there Green. You are going to be a great addition to our merry country.

Date16:41:36, July 27, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageGreen Advantage wants to foster environmental awareness and action. Given the threats to our national park system and other national mechanisms, we make no apologies for trying to push our program. A safe environment is in all our interests. This bill would help advance that goal.

Date16:49:51, July 27, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageYou are welcome to push your program, and do not have to apologise for doing so. It would be nice though if you could at least attempt to justify why the citizenry in what is currently an eco-skeptic country would want to pay for specialist green schools. As far as we can see they would not. If we were to propose a similar scheme for those who wished to become open cast mining engineers, or those who wnated to become seal hunters, would you support the proposal.

Think about what the law you are proposing allows. It says that the government will fund specialist schools so long as they have a specific focus (open cast mining, seal hunting are pretty specific, whereas "green" is not) and are non profit.

Please do not join the procession of parties here that write a bill and then add a proposal to it that does not do what they want it to do.

Date17:12:04, July 27, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Green charter schools
Messagewhat proposal would allow green charter schools then?

Date17:13:32, July 27, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Green charter schools
Messageit's our position that the government should protect the environment even if the citizens are eco-skeptics.

we dont expect to win many votes with this position of course, but it is the purpose of this party. Someone has to speak for the non-voting trees!

Date17:15:59, July 27, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageThis proposal will allow charter schools - full stop. There is no proposal that will allow only those charter schools that you wish to have. Either you accept all and any specialist groups using public funds to set up charter schools or you accept that public funds should not be used for this. Our education system provides for private schooling. Any green charity can set up a private school. There is nothing preventing this.
Our objection is to public funds being used for specialist causes, regardless of their nature.

Date20:10:05, July 27, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageWhen the trees start paying taxes, they can have someone spending this money on their behalf. Until then, the trees are not the concern of this government over and above the degree to which they are the concern of the people that elected this government. We are representatives of the people, not autonomous individuals who can do as they will.

Date00:13:01, July 28, 2005 CET
FromCooperative Commonwealth Federation
ToDebating the Green charter schools
Message"Charter schools must have a specific focus." The speciifc focus I have in mind is the environment.

there is a proposal that the government discriminates against minorities in its hiring. It'd be up to anyone foolish enough to propose that to define which minorities.

and of course the environment is a concern of government. they do, in effect, pay taxes, in the sense that they make a contribution. We could not breathe without trees, we would all drown without land to stand on, and we would suffocate without clean air.

what you are dealing with in Green Advantage is, in Randroid language, the parliamentary wing of a special interest group. We are not here to represent the short-term interest of taxpayers, we are here to represent the long-term interest of people and the ecosystem that we are all part of.

Date01:37:49, July 28, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageWrong Green advantage. You are employed to represent the people who voted for you. If they want you to represent their long term interests and that of the environment, fine, but as our nation is eco-skeptic, that is not the case.

Date01:41:37, July 28, 2005 CET
FromAdam Smith Party
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageWe have yet to recieve any income from a tree or a field. We receive our income from people (virtual ones here, admitedly, both income and people). Whether these things contribute to the society or not is irrelevant. Do they provide funds to pay for these charter schools that you want? No they do not. Who would be providing these funds if we were to permit these schools? The people. Do the people want these schools? No. End of matter really.

Date02:53:19, July 28, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageMisquoting the Amystian Council(about a different subject):

"Do trees exist? There is no agreement that says that trees exist in Lodamun!"

Therefore trees do not have suffrage or pay taxes...

Date06:14:31, July 28, 2005 CET
From Tuesday Is Coming
ToDebating the Green charter schools
MessageAnd 274 against seals this bill's fate...

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 95

no
    

Total Seats: 315

abstain
  

Total Seats: 40


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