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Bill: Labor Rights Act.

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Federalist Labour Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2038

Description^[?]:

See below...

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Government policy towards labor unions.

Old value:: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.

Current: Trade unions may exist and worker membership is voluntary.

Proposed: Trade unions may exist and all workers must have membership in one.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	I think this should be debated. I believe that labor doesn't really have power when membership is voluntary.

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From	Kirlawan Republican Alliance
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	But, that would give the government the power (and the responsibility) to define what a trade union is.

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From	Senatus et Populusque Kirlawan(SPQK)
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	I must say I disagree with this... I mean, is it really the governments place to tell people that they HAVE to be in trade unions? We support Trade Unions but feel that It is not necessary for the Government to FORCE people to be in one.

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From	Conservative Christian Royalists
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	people should always have the option. it is not right to tell them to join them, just as it would be bad to say no to all trade unions. we must meet in the middle ground.

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From	Conservative Christian Royalists
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	we will vote no to this bill.

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	The capitalist class has power over the working class, mainly because they pocess a large amount of money. The working wage based class has no power because they are bought as commodities, as slaves and need the work to survive . In order for the wage-earners to have any power at all and any chance of demanding change or betterment for themselves, they much be organized. In comparison if membership is voluntary, labor union members are subject to losing their, wage and their jobs from non-union workers. "But, that would give the government the power (and the responsibility) to define what a trade union is." could you please elaborate on what you mean by this.

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From	Kirlawa Green Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	We do not really have an opinion about this issue. However, we believe people shouldn't be forced into joining something. We shall therefor vote no.

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	Is that a joke? "...we believe people shouldn't be forced into joining something." Labor Unions are better than compulsory government programs that confiscate wealth in the name of �general welfare" and "social security�. The working class citizens of Kirlawa should be organized and free to demand what is fair, from their capitalist employer.

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	...instead of demanding "whats fair" from the government.

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From	Kirlawa Green Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	So you're deciding what people should do, sounds like majority rule to me...

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From	Kirlawan Republican Alliance
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	Yeah. And, how are you going to DEFINE what a trade union is?

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	I'm not sure how to answer your question, does it not go without saying? Please explain KRA. KDP: Yes, to a point, but labor unions are necessary in order for the working class not to be treated as slaves. You believe the government should FORCE the working class to "JOIN" compulsory programs that confiscate wealth from other people in order to provide for their welfare. I differ from you, I believe the government should FORCE the working class to be organized and provide for their own, welfare. Why not give them opportunity and power instead of handing them a check, which is FORCIBLY paid by someone else?

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From	Kirlawa Green Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	I don't see how making trade union membership compulsary would help the poor and the unemployed. If the government doesn't give these people 'a check payed by someone else' these people simply can't lead a decent life. What about homeless people, the handicapped...

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	Unionization will help the poor and unemployed by united them and giving them power to demand a fair pay from their employers, including prospective employers. "�lead a decent life"??? It's not even close to "decent�, unless you plan on bringing down the entire economy. The handicapped will have to be addressed.

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	I'm guessing you support the implementation of minimum wage? Well, through this legislation the working class would be able to set their own wage without the need for government intervention. Which makes sense to combat the obvious threat to the wage-worker that is inflation.

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From	Kirlawa Green Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	What about the disabled people and people what can't get a job, because there just isn't one available for them. What good are unions to them? What would they become without social security?

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From	Kirlawa Green Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	ps: we do support a minimum wage set by the goverment, simply because corporations and workers just couldn't agree on a decent wage. Workers always try to get as much as they can and corporations try to minimize costs

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	What do you think influences the government when it sets the minimum wage? The wageworker and inflation, period. Corporations and workers alike would be forced through circumstance to agree on a "decent" wage, if they indeed want to make money. To say corporations and workers will merely "deadlock" themselves in wage negotiations is utterly absurd! And as I said before, the disabled will have to be addressed, although I know there to be alternatives to �social security� who�s to say that ONLY disabled person(s) couldn't receive benefits - even with compulsory labor unionization?

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From
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	Would the workers who ar being entered into the union negotiate with their boss or would the union leadership be doing this?

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	The unions would most certainly be organized and run the by workers themselves, in each of their respective trades and companies; such as the workers of a �fast food corporation� would have one singular union that would represent all the workers of such �fast food corporation�. The representative �leaders� of the union would be elected by and FROM the members of the �fast food corporation workers union� and would do all the mass negotiations between union and corporation. Although this is �majority rule democracy� it is very necessary and allows the working class to negotiate their own wage, instead of the government merely defining the �minimum wage� by determining the inflation rate and the standard of living. More direct power to the workers of Kirlawa through this legislation! I'm open to better ideas...???

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	Note: I DO NOT mean ALL "fast food corporations" would have only one representative union.

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	as in TOGETHER.

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From	Kirlawa Green Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	What about the disabled people and people what can't get a job, because there just isn't one available for them. What good are unions to them? What would they become without social security? You haven't answered that question

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	Yes, I have. Right here quote: "...the disabled will have to be addressed, although I know there to be alternatives to �social security� who�s to say that ONLY disabled person(s) couldn't receive benefits - even with compulsory labor unionization?"

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	Which is better the government looking at the workers and defining their minimum wage (what they are worth) or the workers themselves negotiating with their employer? How does the government by defining the minimum wage help the disabled that our un-able to work? It doesn't, same with unionization. I do not understand your reasoning KGP.

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From
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	Does this scrap social security? Are the union leadership paid the average industrial wage?

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	No and Yes. Although, the need for social security would dramatically diminish - that�s a GOOD THING! Just to verify no this would not make a "social security" program illegal to introduce.

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From	Senatus et Populusque Kirlawan(SPQK)
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	We are sorry to say that we must vote no. We do not agree that to government has legal right to tell people what they can and cannot do.

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From
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	We of the Draconic Party believe that forcing people to join a union is useless. Those who don't join voluntarily aren't very likely to contribute to them anyway. Apart from that, we agree with most of the arguments brought foreward by the no-voters. We also vote AGAINST this proposal.

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From	Federalist Labour Party
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	You think a slave given the choice not to be a slave would'nt take it?

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From	Kirlawan Republican Alliance
To	Debating the Labor Rights Act.
Message	I am reminded of a quote by Franklin Roosevelt: "A democrat on 1500 calories is a fascist on 2000." So, in some cases, yes. Sometimes, being able to survive in chains is better than dying free.

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Voting

Vote

Seats

yes

Federalist Labour Party (156)

Total Seats: 156

Kirlawan Republican Alliance (154)
Kirlawa Green Party (123)
Senatus et Populusque Kirlawan(SPQK) (100)
Conservative Christian Royalists (58)

Total Seats: 435

abstain

Total Seats: 0

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