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Bill: Adult Age Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Rightist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2392
Description[?]:
Article 1: This shall be known as AAA
Article 2.1: This act will change the age at which people will be considered an adult
Article 2.2: This will change that age from 16 to 18 |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:06:47, April 17, 2007 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | Because it is our estimation that people are more mature at the age of 18 than at the age of 16. By making it 16, you are thrusting responsibilities onto people who may not be able to handle it. The additional two years will give them experience necessary due to completing school. At 16, they will not have completed school. |
| Date | 21:08:48, April 17, 2007 CET |
From | Free People's Movement | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | At the same time many of them will be forced to work and have adult responsibilties due to poverty early on in life. In the past we had one of the largest percentage of unemployed. Now 90% are employed. We're still trying to improve this but if you reverse practical steps you will hurt the economy. |
| Date | 02:44:04, April 18, 2007 CET |
From | Free People's Movement | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | The game keeps a record of things like unemployment. If you check it right now it's a little over 90 percent employed. I didn't take a screen shot of the other ones so I don't know how you want me to prove it. |
| Date | 14:00:17, April 18, 2007 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | Our employment has always been high. I should know. I've been around long enough. |
| Date | 14:54:02, April 18, 2007 CET |
From | Free People's Movement | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | You weren't active the whole time I was here. When I came the economy was screwy. Unemployment was high. Population density was one of the lowest of everywhere. Ect. |
| Date | 17:23:52, April 18, 2007 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | Our population density has always been low FPM. As to Unemployment, it has been held steady. Define what your definition of high unemployment is? To me, 10% unemplyment is to high. |
| Date | 19:33:16, April 18, 2007 CET |
From | Free People's Movement | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | I think 10 percent is two high but it was once higher. This issue is continuing to be dealt with, partly through the huge government funding for industry if our proposed budget is passed. |
| Date | 14:35:06, April 19, 2007 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | Since I am not believing you as most stats are made up on the spot, I'm going to have to ask you to prove it undeniably. Since I know you cant prove it, my advice is to back down from that line of reasoning as it is apparent that you are the only one spouting it.
As to huge industry, a nation cannot live with an industrial based society and hope to have an edge. One must move things to a service industry. |
| Date | 14:42:08, April 19, 2007 CET |
From | Free People's Movement | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | More than one person doesn't need to "spout" what's already been said... No one's agreeing with you either.
"As to huge industry, a nation cannot live with an industrial based society and hope to have an edge. One must move things to a service industry."
To this I can only say "what?" A nation based on the "service industry" only exists because it's industrial base is in the third world but owned at home. |
| Date | 15:56:53, April 19, 2007 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | HAHA!!! That's funny as all shit. You really have no clue what you are talking about. God I miss the old days when people actually knew what they were talking about. Alwell...gotta deal with pricks who know jack shit about politics and economics. |
| Date | 22:06:20, April 19, 2007 CET |
From | TuánjiédÇŽng (团结党) | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | Rightist Party stop with the insults and just because you have been in Tukarali for a long time doesn't make you more knowledgeable and certainly doesn’t make you a better role-player.
And when I was recently activated in Tukarali, unemployment was high. I remember this specifically because there were arguments over how the economy should be run (Fascist or Socialist). |
| Date | 01:43:55, April 20, 2007 CET |
From |   Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry' | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | Rightist Party, for your general OOC disregard and verbal abuse in bill 111485 "HAHA!!! That's funny as all shit. You really have no clue what you are talking about. God I miss the old days when people actually knew what they were talking about. Alwell...gotta deal with pricks who know jack shit about politics and economics.", you have been officially warned.
Your logic is also flawed in areas. You are right to call for proof when needed, but your reductions ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) and appeal to authority based on your major is not a valid case to single-handedly disregard a counter argument. FPM's arguments need work in areas, but his premise flaws do not insult players as your attitude does. Your specialisation gives you a greater credance when asserting an opinion, but is invalid as a proof in its own right.
As an aside, it's "courteous" from "courtesy" and "unconscious". If reductions ad hominem were logically sound form, people could use your spelling weaknesses to debase your writing style's suitability for the University course in Political Science and History, especially in an essay subject, so it's important for arguments to be respectful of others and logically feasible. We all have our own strengths and weaknesses, please show others more respect. |
| Date | 14:30:59, April 20, 2007 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | And I am still waiting for the proof that it was high. You have yet to provide it. Since you cannot provide it, you need to back down from it till you can provide the proof. IT does not surprise me though that there were arguments between the Fascists and the Socialists. They hated one another so take that for what it is worth. |
| Date | 17:09:03, April 20, 2007 CET |
From | Free People's Movement | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | I can't provide you proof about the unemployment, but all the other parties here saw it with their own eyes. My arguments are for their eyes mostly, so that they may vote with me in keeping the adult age lower and allowing more people to join the labor pool early on if the need to. |
| Date | 19:27:16, April 20, 2007 CET |
From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | Then let them say it. So far you are the only one saying it. I am not just going to take your word for it. I am sorry but that is just the way it is. You have failed to provide proof and as such, I consider your allegations false. |
| Date | 21:55:44, April 20, 2007 CET |
From | Free People's Movement | To | Debating the Adult Age Act | | Message | UFF backed me up.
I'm also quite confused as to why you think I would lie. Do you think I like the idea of someone joining the labor pool at 16? I certainly don't. People at 16 should be focusing entirely on their school work until about 18, where some of them should focus entirely on education, some get a job, and some do a bit of both. This is something I don't like that I feel is necesary. If it were not for the past unemployment problems ect I wouldn't feel it's necesary. |
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