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Bill: State Religion
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2089
Description[?]:
| In an effort to unify our population behind the strength of the True Faith. We recommend that state sponsor the appointment of its leaders and fund their support. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state appoints the head and ministers of the state religion, but does not intervene otherwise.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:30:54, July 28, 2005 CET | From | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Party | To | Debating the State Religion |
| Message | Communism knows no bounds! State run religion? Hmmm....interesting approach though. We could force all school children to go to the state run religious schools. Even force them to sing the national anthem everyday. Then, teach them the goosestep. Brilliant! |
| Date | 19:43:42, July 28, 2005 CET | From |  Protectorate Party | To | Debating the State Religion |
| Message | I think the CP is a bit confused on their terms. The PP has never supported communism. We feel however that much can be gained by a unifying religion identified with Malivia. We never mandate beliefs nor have we restricted other religions. |
| Date | 23:45:36, July 28, 2005 CET | From | Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Party | To | Debating the State Religion |
| Message | It was just sarcasm. No harm intended. The PP is usually pretty reasonable by our standards. Some might not consider that a compliment, though. |
| Date | 05:03:06, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the State Religion |
| Message | Still, we would rather not support. |
| Date | 17:04:54, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Protectorate Party | To | Debating the State Religion |
| Message | Our nation is divided along many lines, social vs private ownership, rich vs poor, race against race, the list goes on and on. If we instead encourage the formation of a national religion which preaches peace and understanding, we can slowly erode these differrences. Under the teaching of the True Faith, these differences will not be issues. We can achieve the social equality desired by the left via private means as our citizens work to help their brothers and sisters in the world. This will reduce the need of government ownership and intervention. THus we achieve the reduction in government expenditure desired by the right. As we shift more to the private sector we encourage development of better solutions and can then allow the government to help organize and fund projects that are too new or large for the private sector to achieve on their own. |
| Date | 04:05:08, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Leviathan Party | To | Debating the State Religion |
| Message | As we oppose this bill, we would like to state in the strongest terms that this is in no way a statement against religion, or against the potential for religious groups to do good in the world. In beleagured nations, where poverty and violence are endemic, it is too often the case that only religious organizations are willing to place their people in harms way to help the victims of chance and an unjust economic and political system. The doctrine of self sacrifice, compassion and forgiveness are powerful messages at any time, and doubly so when the interests of others are placed before your own personal interests. The Leviathan Party, though not endorsing deism or a particular religion in the interests of inclusivenes, shares those values on many issues, and it is the need for a system that looks out for the less fortunate, not the most powerful, that guides our economic policies. This doctrine, though, is weakened when combined with the political aspects of government. Just as the thinkers of the Reformation spoke out against a hierarchical church where secular and worldly power were more important than the spirituality that was the original foundation of the church, we must speak out against any policy that would corrupt the good works of the Church with the touch of worldly politics. If ministers were to be paid and nominated by the state, would they feel secure is speaking their conscience and their belief, no matter how it contradicts the stance current government? Would people be secure in knowing they were getting the true teachings of the Church, and not that which is politically suitable for the day? Religion and spirituality are both deeply personal realms of a person's life, and the involvement of the state in these areas is intrusive to the point of being damaging. What a person believes is between them and their creator, be it a god or a random universe, and no one else, and we, as members of the Assembly, have no business intruding into that relationship. Some are concerned that this bill would codify religious power in the state; we are more worried that it would codify secular powe in the church. The former merely creates a conflict of interest in the government, the latter taints the good works and message of an august tradition with the stink of modern politics. We find the latter far, far worse. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 11 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 85 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 2 |
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