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Bill: No space weapons
Details
Submitted by[?]: Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2089
Description[?]:
| Lodamun undertakes not to carry out flight tests and deployment of an anti-satellite weapon or a space weapon. Any such steps by government, corporations or private citizens in Lodamun is strictly prohibited. Space weapon is defined as: any device or component of a system specifically designed, tested, or deployed to disrupt, degrade, impair or destroy a satellite, and any device in space specifically designed, tested, or deployed to disrupt, degrade, impair or destroy a satellite in space or an object on Earth. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:37:08, July 29, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | How do you intend to enforce this without bringing any weapons to space? It is a paradox... |
| Date | 17:44:05, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | Do we have the power to legislate for all of sidereal space? We thought that our legislative zone was limited to the edge of the atmosphere above our land. |
| Date | 18:11:36, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | Fair enough. Changed the wording. |
| Date | 18:34:19, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | I still object to in-space enforcement, which this will require. |
| Date | 18:54:12, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | What is a weapon for the terms of this bill. A spaceship is a pretty effective weapon in itself. As are people, as is a ball point pen etc. This bill, as it stands, would effectively ban any attempt by any party from Lodamun to place anything in space. |
| Date | 22:49:07, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | Hence why our focus was the usage of weapons, or the initiation of violence. The existence of weapons would require a totalitarian approach to monitor. |
| Date | 02:01:21, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | you do know i'm talking about things like Reagan's SDI, right? I'm not talking about taking a pen knife into space, i'm talking about space weapons. |
| Date | 02:48:58, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | That is why we are asking for the description to include a definition of what is a weapon. The SDI equipment were hardly weapons, they were anti ballistic missile devices. Yes they could have been used against a space ship, but not effectively so. There is a lot of bad science fiction being presumed here. The sheer cost of hauling a weapon up out of the gravity well of a planet the size of earth makes space warfare prohibitively expensive. It is also highly ineffective. The planet has an atmosphere which protects it against electro magnetc wave weaponry. Mass projectile weaponry is just pointless when there is no need to take it into space to start with. What is it you are concerned about? |
| Date | 03:18:17, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | Definition added. |
| Date | 10:04:59, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | If you add a clause prohibiting the government as well from such activity, but allow private companies to destroy their own satelites, we would accept this. Even though this would destroy the ability to enforce it, we would support such a guideline/statement. SDI, though a wonderful idea, to defend against nuclear, is more of an offensive weapon. The only deterrent for preventing nuclear attack is other wmd's. As SDI would remove the nuclear deterrent, there would be no tactical reason not to use nukes indiscriminately. We would definitely support any unenforced statement condemning the development of orbital weapons platforms, etc. We would also support a national plan to develop SDI, as the defensive capabilities of a nuclear shield would be very beneficial to our citizens, along with being the proper role of the government. |
| Date | 15:15:23, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | How do you deal with space junk. Can we destroy obsolete equipment rather than just let the orbit decay and have it fall anywhere? |
| Date | 16:40:45, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | the government is already included. space junk is a separate issue. |
| Date | 18:24:52, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | If you can not take anything into space to destroy what is there, spcae junk is not a separate issue. This bill condemns space to be a rubbish dump. Great eco-freindly thinking that! The only realistic reason for building any kind of destructive artifact to take into space is to clear up the junk. Thus we oppose this on ecological grounds. |
| Date | 18:55:25, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | When we requested: "allow private companies to destroy their own satelites, we would accept this." that is what we were referring to, as well as junk which is not considered owned. |
| Date | 20:14:49, July 31, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the No space weapons |
| Message | No evidence has been shown as to what weapons could be introduced into space. The possibility of keeping space free of rubbish and junk is being prohibited by this bill. We oppose counter productive and ineffective legislation |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 174 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 217 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 59 |
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