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Bill: Excellence in higher education
Details
Submitted by[?]: Catholic Workers Movement
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2092
Description[?]:
| The Ministry of Education shall regulate universities and vocational colleges to ensure that they teach adequate skills and meet national standards. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The regulation of higher education.
Old value:: The government allows public and private higher education institutions to coexist with self-regulation for those that are private.
Current: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Proposed: The government allows private higher education but regulates it to meet nationally set standards.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:36:05, July 31, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Excellence in higher education |
| Message | No. Regulation means restrictions and intolerance. If the private institutions aren't up to scratch the parents will vote with their feet and walk. THAT is the regulation. |
| Date | 20:20:16, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Humanism-Scientism Collusion | To | Debating the Excellence in higher education |
| Message | Regulation means being sure a degree is worth something. We don't want expensive but worthless universities going around, practically handing out degrees. I wouldn't mind having a Ph. D. from my own imaginary university. A lot of stuff can influence the parents (mainly the richer ones - the others go public): comfort, image, prestige, ... - and they might be sending their kids to a university that isn't up to scratch, just because it has a good name. If the institution is ok, the proposal wouldn't change anything. If it isn't, we're saving a lot of people the hard times finding out that it wasn't. |
| Date | 00:55:25, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Excellence in higher education |
| Message | OOC degrees in Britain don't mean anything because the government is in charge of universties. I don't see where you're coming from... |
| Date | 12:17:12, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Humanism-Scientism Collusion | To | Debating the Excellence in higher education |
| Message | If they were any good, wouldn't parents still send their children there? (Although I must admit I have no clue what OOC means) |
| Date | 22:02:58, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Workers Movement | To | Debating the Excellence in higher education |
| Message | OOC means out of character. And OOC, degrees from Britain are pretty well respected, as are degrees from other countries with governent regulation of universities. |
| Date | 23:14:51, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Excellence in higher education |
| Message | I still think the regulation should be electorate regulation - if it doesn't meet the standards they won't send their children, because remember kids can always have a place in a publicly-funded school. HSC: What other choice do they have? CWM: I'm talking about the influx of "Mickey-Mouse" degrees - not the chemisty, maths and english - but Psychology, Journalism and Politics etc. Politics being somehtin you learn by studying international relations or history (or siply by living). On journalism the figures speak for themselves; your much more likely to get a job in journalism if you study basically ANYTHING else but journalism. This was a government incentive in which they wished to get "...50% of people through university" the simple problem being, 50% of people aren't university material. Thats not being harsh, its true. A degree should mean something whereas now it doesn't because so many people are finding that they need to a second degree to get a job and banks that demand a degree for clerk jobs etc. |
| Date | 22:04:04, August 06, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Excellence in higher education |
| Message | I want vouchers |
| Date | 01:03:53, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Excellence in higher education |
| Message | @PAL I wouldn't call Psychology a 'mickey-mouse' degree (I really hate that term) since it is an aspect of science as is Sociology |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 89 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 68 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 143 |
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