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Bill: Peace Talks With Hutori
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Liberal Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2407
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| (OOC: Apologies for the number of these threads, things constantly seem to be changing!) As Foreign Minister, I have been in discussions with my Hutori counterpart in trying to find a way to end this crisis peacefully. The following is the transcript of our discussions to date which we bring to the attention of Congress in order to have a full and open debate about peace talks with Hutori and to formulate a common policy with regards to the pursual of such talks, agreed by all parties and so which can be followed by all governments, regardless of political makeup. United Commonwealth Alliance: God\'s and the King\'s Fighters: From the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Most Royal and Serene Kingdom of Hutori To the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Commonwealth of Telamon Dear Sir, in order to prevent further bloodshed, and to prevent the outbreak of a real war with all its nasty details like WMDs and so on, we would like to know, if you'd be interested in ending the current crisis, that has gone on for much too long. The Most Royal and Serene Kingdom of Hutori wants peace, and nothing else. You should recognise now, that the Union finally failed, as also Davostan is not interrested in it anymore, and that therefore any further fights between our nations would be equally point-, and senseless. With highest regards, Erik Munin, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hutori The parties currently in government have always desired peace. We made offers to Hutori of negotiation at the beginning of this crisis, once we had taken power, we made repeated statements in many international forums that we did not want war with Hutori, but these were rejected (or at least not actively acted upon) by yourselves. Obviously we then lost the election and more militant parties took over who imposed the 'blockade.' Now we are back in office we still would like peace (indeed we were in the process of arranging to lift the blockade when you attacked), and in principle I would be happy to enter talks with Hutori to end the current crisis. Obviously however, given the changed circumstances I will need to seek confirmation and instructions from my Congress, but I shall await your proposals for talks before doing so With Regards Francis Rooney Foreign Minister of Telamon Also in our country, the crisis could only develop this far, because of the changes in the cabinet. As you maybe noticed, I myself became Minister of Foreign Affairs when the real war started, namely when Fidel Castro became Minister of Defense of your country. Until then, I can only assume, that our country wanted simply to wait, until it would be clear, that it was no part of the Union anymore. As we have seen from the Security Council, you do think that we attacked the blockade, when it was only preventing the import of weapons. This, however, is a sad misunderstanding, we had to break through when Fidel Castro made it into a blockade that kept "everything but food" away from us, as such a blockade would have surely devastated our economy. If we had known, that you were already lifting the blockade, such an attack never would have occured to us, and we hereby apologise humbly for this outbreak of hostility. We also want your nation to know that the people of Hutori, and most of its parties always wanted peace, and we also have to make it clear, that you have to ignore any threats made by the more furious parties, namely the CUP and the CDA. While we don't expect any further outbreaks from the CDA, as they have now been informed by us that we are currently trying to make peace with you, it may well be, that the CUP chooses to continue with such hostilities. So please always bear in mind, that the CUP in general is not very approved of by the other parties, and is the only one that cries for war. We do hope that you will make this declaration public in your nation, as we want all of your parties to know what has been behind this crisis. Now here is our proposal (it is merely the same treaty as we made with Davostan): Peace Treaty and Declaration of Friendship between the Commonwealth of Telamon and the Most Royal and Serene Kingdom of Hutori (1) Both signatory Nations bind themselves to the end and further abdication of any armed operations against each other. Thus the Commonwealth of Telamon will retreat its forces from the Union's blockade, and thus the Most Royal and Serene Kingdom of Hutori removes its forces from the borders of Telamon. (2) Both signatory Nations further want to declare their renewed friendship to each other, and their will to find a new way to cooperate, primarily for the betterment of their citizens, finally for a betterment of all people of Macon. (3) In order to end the most regretted conflict, that currently affects Macon, the Commonwealth of Telamon recognises, that the Most Royal and Serene Kingdom of Hutori had left the Union legally. The Most Royal and Serene Kingdom of Hutori itself ceases to lock itself to a new treaty that will bring both signatory Nations closer together, and will even consider a new Union. (4) Both Nations hereby also condemn the actions taken by the previous governments of both nations, that have lead to the current crisis, and the final collapse of the Union and its high ideals. We are awaiting your answer with highest tension, With Regards, Erik Munin Minister of Foreign Affairs, Hutori |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:23:13, May 19, 2007 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Peace Talks With Hutori |
| Message | We hope the transcript is clear enough for parties to follow. We are currently seeking clarification on a number of issues from Hutori and will advise Congress when these are recieved. We draw particular attention to the last part of the transcript which outlines Hutori's proposals for talks. We are primarily awaiting clarification on article 3, which would appear not to make sense. With regards to the question of the legality of Hutori's withdrawal, our position is for a form of words to be found in any treaty which essentially accept an agreement to disagree on this matter as we feel that given previous discussions any prolonged debate on this issue will only lead to further dispute and animosity. As regards the rest of article 3, it would appear that the Hutori government is now prepared to consider talks on a new union. If this is correct, this satisfies our current position and on that basis, as Foreign Minister I urge that we accept peace talks with Hutori on these terms |
| Date | 17:38:15, May 19, 2007 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Peace Talks With Hutori |
| Message | We have now recieved clarification on those issues, and we show below the draft text of a proposed treaty which would end the current crisis, which we ask parties in Congress to share their opinions on. 'Recognising the gravity of the situation currently facing our nations and our contintent and recognising the suffering, uncertainty and hardship that this has brought to our peoples, the parties of Telamon and Hutori pledge to immediately end the current hostilities. To this end, and to facilitate peace, both sides agree to withdraw their forces from the border and to begin the process of demobilisation. All naval shipping shall be stood down and returned to port. Following from this both sides agree not to undertake or engage in any hostile action against the other and to work to return to a normalcy of relations as soon as possible. Furthermore, recognising the controversy which surrounds the constitution of the Macon Union, both sides accept the extremely ambiguous nature of this document as the cause of present troubles and condemn all actions taken on both sides which escalated tensions and led to the current crisis. In accepting this, the parties of Telamon and Hutori now pledge to put aside past differences and animosity for the good of our peoples and to work together to renew friendship and to further cooperation between Telamon and Hutori and the continent of Macon as a whole.' |
| Date | 21:06:29, May 19, 2007 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Peace Talks With Hutori |
| Message | Actually, we shall put this to a vote as this is what Hutori is doing. If more than half the parties vote yes, then we will draft a full treaty for ratification. Note: The statement 'All naval shipping shall be stood down and returned to port.' should read 'All military shipping shall be stood down and returned to port.' We hope that all parties will support this move |
| Date | 18:54:32, May 20, 2007 CET | From |  Macon Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Peace Talks With Hutori |
| Message | "Do not recognize Hutori as a nation. We are members of the Union of Macon and wish to remain that way." -Cecilia Roberts MNP, Chair |
| Date | 18:59:22, May 20, 2007 CET | From | Macon Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Peace Talks With Hutori |
| Message | OOC: We're the old IADP of Telamon. |
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| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 163 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 209 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 229 |
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