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Bill: Education in Prisons
Details
Submitted by[?]: Party Royale
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2411
Description[?]:
| If our prisons are truly meant to rehabilitate criminals into productive members of society, then education must be an essential part of their reform. Convicted criminals who have received some degree of education or career training during their time in prison are far less likely to commit additional crimes and return to jail. This program will lower the government's costs overall by reducing the number of people in prison, while providing people with a second chance. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Education in prisons.
Old value:: Prisoners are not given any form of education.
Current: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Proposed: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:14:12, May 28, 2007 CET |
From |  Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | Well, unless you kill them, as you would prefer, they will need it. Otherwise, the chance of reoffence will be far too high. |
| Date | 19:26:49, May 28, 2007 CET |
From | Industrialist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | Punishment should be deterrent enough. Thats why we NEED criminal slavery and NEED the death penalty as another deterrent. This will be opposed tooth and nail be us. |
| Date | 03:03:20, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | So FCP the message becomes: break the law, get a free education. Plus, the taxpayers pay for prisoner's food, lights, heat, water and medical then education on top of it. Whose going to pay for this fellas? Yeah, this type of bill shows you "really" care about lowering crime, lowering taxes and lowering government spending. You political hypocrites; give us a break. |
| Date | 03:42:33, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Party Royale | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | Nobody would ever willingly go to prison just to get an education. That kind of comparison is simply ridiculous. All this bill would do is ensure that more criminals who have finished serving their jail time become productive members of society after they're released. When these newly educated people don't commit new crimes and go back to jail, the cost to society and the government actually goes down. |
| Date | 15:51:50, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | But what if they do get education and they repeat criminal activities and get returned to jail? Then, we've paid to educate and then reincarcerate criminals. That makes no sense whatsoever. Just look at the odds of returning to jail. Nearly 50% in most industrial nations. And when they get out and have felonies on their record, their odds of getting decent-paying jobs is reduced. Should we give them education and wipe-away all that is on their records, too? Should we reeducate blue and white-collar criminals the same? What if they have prior educations like high school diplomas or college degrees? Should they get more schooling for getting locked-up. This is pie-in-the-sky utopian-ism at best. The realities beg too many relevant questions however. |
| Date | 17:56:30, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Party Royale | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | The main purpose of giving criminals an education is so that they DON'T commit more crimes when they get out of jail. People with jobs, steady incomes, and a place to live don't have to turn to crime to support themselves, and less people will return to jail and use up taxpayer money. |
| Date | 18:58:59, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Industrialist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | That only pertains to stealing. Anyhow punishment is deterrent enough. If we had torture and slavery for criminals then we very well would reduce crime without letting them have the luxury of education. |
| Date | 22:52:47, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | No it isn't, CP. Incarceration just breeds resentment and educates criminals as to how not to get caught next time. |
| Date | 01:09:49, May 30, 2007 CET |
From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | Because it is necessary to do this. We want to create a deterrent and not a place where further crime is spawned. |
| Date | 01:35:00, May 31, 2007 CET |
From | Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | Crime spawns in prisons betwixt people with or without educations, so what's the point you're trying to make FCP? Prisons aren't colleges and prisoners aren't college students. Stop spending our law-abiding taxpayer's dollars on screw-ups, cons, crooks, deadbeats, and psychopaths. |
| Date | 16:20:05, May 31, 2007 CET |
From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Education in Prisons | | Message | Familiarise your party with labelling theory and you might understand our deep objection to that statement. |
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Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 316 |
| no | Total Seats: 284 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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