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Bill: Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411
Details
Submitted by[?]: Fair Capitalism Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2412
Description[?]:
| To ensure that the state is no longer allowed to kill criminals. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:31:59, May 28, 2007 CET |
From | Republic People Party | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | March 2410
News Report
The State of Kurmal, in the Democratic Republic of Aloria, was shocked by a terrorist attack. There were 53 dead and 96 wounded.
We want the criminals to be found and to be executed. The only solution for those type of crimes is death penalty. The other criminals should be educated but they not. |
| Date | 03:06:56, May 29, 2007 CET |
From |  Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | A premeditated convicted murder can kill in prison or be paroled and kill again. If this system doesn't work (as you hope it will) life without parole and justice have failed. Can you guarentee against this ever happening? The MLP are not willing to take that chance. |
| Date | 03:39:42, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Party Royale | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | Our prison system is not so broken that murders can occur unnoticed in our jails with no hope of prevention. If this really is the case, then maybe the MLP would agree to a funding increase for our prisons to keep these people in solitary confinement? Also, life in prison without parole is a simple option that would stop murderers from ever getting out onto the street, while also preventing any innocent people from ever being executed. |
| Date | 19:12:30, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Industrialist Party of Aloria | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | It's punishment for the tax-payers. Having murderers supported by the good people of Aloria is NOT good. They deserve to be killed A) For reasons stated by the MLP and B)it is an unnecessary burden on taxpayers, the taxpayers don't deserve this and the murderers do. There are many cases were people who have got out of jail and can't handle the real world will BREAK THE LAW AGAIN to get back in. This could very well be a ticket to an easy life for people. We can hear it now, "Hey Bubba, I'm gonna kill my boss so-as I don't gotta live in the real world no mores. The taxpayers are gonna give me free food for the rest-o' my life!". People do stuff like that, and we don't want it to happen. |
| Date | 20:53:47, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Party Royale | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | How many people have ever killed just so they can go to jail for an "easy life"? Just because it happens on television doesn't mean it happens in real life. And CP, whatever happened to the Christian value of respecting life? |
| Date | 22:58:52, May 29, 2007 CET |
From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | The cost of keeping the few currently capital criminals would be virtually nothing compared to other spending: the bulk is spent on crimes which nobody but Draco believe deserve death. Furthermore, the costs arising from the administration required in executing someone become roughly the same as those if they had just got life. |
| Date | 01:08:53, May 30, 2007 CET |
From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | And perhaps they're waiting to be released on appeal because they're innocent. What if this happens 15 years later. Now, of course, it won't: the State would have silenced them long before then so the truth is hidden. Hardly Libertarian, is it?
On a related note, if the CP is claiming people kill people to get life, we can more justifiably claim that having state-sponsored killings only sets a message to impressionable members of public that taking the lives of others is acceptable in a civilised society. |
| Date | 01:32:51, May 31, 2007 CET |
From | Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | Because, PR, they can get out. 40 years later when the victim's family can't come to the parole hearing because they're all gone. There's no one there to speak-up and remind the parole board that oh yeah 40 years ago this guy or gal killed in cold-blood. Besides, as you surely know, laws can change. Someone convicted of murder and sentenced to life without parole today could be freed by a change of the law down the road. Look at all the laws we here in parliament change on a yearly basis! The MLP aren't willing to risk the lives of law-abiding citizens with your "thou shall not kill" analogies. |
| Date | 02:37:43, May 31, 2007 CET |
From | Party Royale | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | So your plan is to kill them all now so that they won't be allowed out because of a change in the law later? By that reasoning, why not kill all criminals, because a change in the law down the road might legalize their crime? Would the MLP support the death penalty for those accused of violating their local gambling laws? |
| Date | 16:13:58, May 31, 2007 CET |
From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | We may also go back to the death penalty again, which could, by your reasoning, justify releasing them all early. Of course, we don't really advocate that: but if we used MLPian logic, we would. |
| Date | 22:45:48, May 31, 2007 CET |
From | Moderate Libertarian Party (NoCoalition) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Death Penalty Act 2411 | | Message | Gambling law violations entail victimless crimes and can hardly be compared to killing let alone killing in the first-degree. Besides gambling it and of itself has by its very nature its own punishments: losing money. But it's done by choice. Those killed don't make the choice to end their existence, someone else violates that for them. Such a comparison is like apples and oranges. Ridiculous. |
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