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Bill: Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free Lodamun
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2413
Description[?]:
As our nation grows and diversifies politically, the time has come to expand the number of representatives we have in the Parliament of Free Peoples. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 599
Current: 365
Proposed: 750
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 07:26:25, May 29, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | withdraw your bill. I alone control enough votes to defeat this proposal. |
Date | 08:44:34, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | I shall not. The People demand representation. |
Date | 09:02:16, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | You seem threatened by the prospect of the people having greater representation. How can you, on one hand, propose the National Reconciliation Act, freeing all of Lodamun from the oppression they had suffered under; and on the other hand deny that the people require a greater voice? Perhaps if adequately represented, Lodamun would not be hurtling towards the police state that it has been allowed to become. So by all means, vote against this once it has been debated. Be on record against the people of this nation. We will see what they decide. Free Lodamun. |
Date | 11:04:14, May 29, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | several years ago, i proposed and passed through the Parliament a bill to expand the seats from 325 to 599. However, more seats does not mean more democracy. Take your pathetic threats elsewhere. |
Date | 12:16:09, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | "withdraw your bill. I alone control enough votes to defeat this proposal." Political infighting creates enemies where there may be allies. Considering that our nation is up agianst a menace that seeks to drag us into fascism, perhaps one might consider the olive branch before the sword? Especially considering how fickle times and opinions change. Perhaps presenting an arguement for Bill withdrawl instead of ordering would be the more prudent course of action? Afterall, this is still only being debated, and we're all facing this nemesis of freedom together. |
Date | 13:39:01, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | The LDP is surprised and dismayed, not by the United Republics' opposition of this bill, but by the ferocity of their attacks against it. We request that before this bill goes to vote they more fully explain. |
Date | 17:22:24, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | As the URP have stated we have only just really increased the number of seats, However when I do the maths of the number of people represented by each MP it is extremly high. Therefor the NP would be willing to agree to this bill so that the MP\'s can deal better with individuals concerns. The NP would prefer each MP to represent around 100,000 people. However we know with such a high population that is not possible. |
Date | 07:12:00, May 30, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | rather than attack me, please explain how more seats improves democracy in lodamun. I think we have much more pressing concerns in that regard such as Nick Griffin's continuation in the office of Prime Minister despite the expressed wishes of the people. |
Date | 23:26:43, May 30, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | It is very simple, with greater numbers of delegates in parliament, there will be more delegates from each region of the 5 Kingdoms. With more representation per subject, there will be greater accuracy in presenting the viewpoints of your constituants. For example, currently we have 599 seats. that means those almost 600 people represent all 130,497,548 of our people, or each representative alone speaks for 217,859 subjects. If we increased the number to 750 each member of parliament would represent 173,996 people, an increase of almost 50,000, providing less cow-towing they have to do to adequately respresent thier subjects. Furthermore, because of the party system, we avoid the obvious pitfalls when increasing the number of people in parliament of bickering and in-fighting. Everyone wins. |
Date | 00:57:00, June 07, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | Have you noticed when Free Lodamun pulls out real facts and figures debate stops but some people vote regardless of losing the debate? Politics is an interesting thing. |
Date | 10:12:24, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | Here are some real facts: the size of the legislature already expanded from 325 to 599. Why expand it again? Why not expand it to a thousand or a million (other than the fact that 750 is the max)? Maybe if the Parliament had a million seats, FL would have one today. |
Date | 17:42:29, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | That's actually only one fact; a of question that was answered above; a rhetorical question you answered yourself (which speaks volumes for you); and wild speculation that I would have a seat (my money is that FL won't for quite a while yet). |
Date | 19:19:48, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | do we really need you to tell everyone what a rhetorical question is? I think that speaks volumes. |
Date | 20:09:16, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | Indeed... You have bested me again, sir. I concede to your wit and wisdom. |
Date | 14:17:37, June 13, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Liberal-Conservative Party | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | We can support this. |
Date | 21:26:58, June 14, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | I'm not a math whiz or anything but it seems that public consensus is for this particular item. Unfortunately, people have positions to protect and that goes beyond caring for their nation. |
Date | 01:41:57, June 15, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Legislation to represent the good people of Londamun |
Message | You know, voting in favor of this would take effect after the next set of elections. So currently everything that is set to end in november would remain unaffected. The URP claims to be in favor of this, but only on thier terms. I find this to be unacceptable. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||||
yes |
Total Seats: 341 | |||||||
no |
Total Seats: 229 | |||||||
abstain | Total Seats: 29 |
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