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Bill: Energy cost reduction act
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Republics Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2413
Description[?]:
| This sector was nationalized under the old government, the URP believes the private market must be reintroduced in this vital sector |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on energy generation.
Old value:: All power stations are publicly owned.
Current: Private power stations provide energy for the entire power grid.
Proposed: Private power stations provide energy for the entire power grid.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:59:24, June 04, 2007 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | How do you intend to reduce the cost by letting the industry be run for a profit? Maybe by cutting the quality of service? URP are going to destroy the quality of life Lodamun now enjoys. |
| Date | 04:55:03, June 05, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | Free Lodamun is all for the free market but this is asking for trouble. Electricity is a basic serivice and our jobs as legislaters is to provide basic services. What if our energy companies arent up to snuff or establishes an monopoly? who pays? the people. |
| Date | 21:49:56, June 05, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | Lodamun always had a private electrical sector until a few years ago. |
| Date | 21:49:57, June 05, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | Lodamun always had a private electrical sector until a few years ago. |
| Date | 22:03:44, June 05, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | Yes, and now it is all government controlled. The transition from state-sponsored back to private will be uncomfortable at best. Rolling black-outs are a certainty. It is impossible to have real free market competition when the infrastructure to produce power is already in place. Let me paint a picture for you: big government sponsored power plants are turned over to whoever can pay for them (i.e. large corporations because they'll be auctioned off). Now there's a good chance that only ONE corporation will win all those auctions, creating a monopoly or even just a handful of companies. This is a certainty considering that whichever corporation will have total control of our domestic energy, clearly a prize too big to resist. I'm not opposed to the idea of Private ownership of the electrical grid, but we need to ease into it. Once we turn over a few stations to independent smaller companies, we can lay the groundwork to go fully independent in a number of years while still providing power to the country. |
| Date | 05:49:59, June 06, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | there's no proof a monopoly would occur. the same rules that prevent monopolies in other sectors would occur in this sector or we could just sell back the assets to the original owners of those assets. Why would blackouts occur again? Because private companies that specialize in energy production are idoiots i guess |
| Date | 00:14:03, June 07, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | Frankly, yes. Here's the thing, we have experienced government workers running our grid currently. These stations will be auctioned off and sold. There isn't a period where these new workers will have training (assuming the original workers aren't hired) so YES, we run the risk of rolling blackouts because the new ownership will be unfamilier with the processes. Or, we end up selling to experienced energy companies from other nations who know what they're doing but then our power grid is in the hands of foreigners. Really, I'm not opposed to private ownership of the power grid but there needs to be a process, there needs to be a path. You can't wake up one morning with one person giving you power, change hands and wake up the next morning without problems. If we transition to private power in small steps over the course of a few years, you'll have my unfailing support, but until then we can't be reckless with the People of the 5 Kingdoms' trust just because we don't like the previous administration's policies. |
| Date | 21:26:22, June 07, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | well then wouldn't blackouts have occured when they were nationalized? they didn't. There would be no impact. |
| Date | 08:35:00, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | There were some, I'm sure but the difference is that when an industry is nationalized the workers and management stay in place for the most part. A beurocracy functions to fill the needs of a beurocracy (i can't spell). Simply adding more managment lvls and giving the existing workers a government paycheck instead of a private one is a small matter. However, the other way around presents its own batch of problems. One government taking over an entire industry doesn't have to worry about competition, A dozen companies taking over a dozen different sections of grid is going to be messy, its not a matter of simply changing who signs the checks (or cheques if you prefer), its a matter of turning one entity intended simply to function into a dozen intended to turn a profit. While the simplist economic concept of competition breeding a better product will hold true eventually, the reality of such a massive undertaking will be very very messy. |
| Date | 09:38:16, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | really there were blackouts? considering your party didn't even exist then i find it hard to believe you're sure blackouts occured |
| Date | 17:19:45, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | OOC: Yes, a political party materialized out of no where consisting of voting aged people that didn't live under any of the changes that happened just a few years ago. You really don't grasp this whole "role-playing" concept at all, do you? Perhaps you want to point out that I also still have no seats? that would be effective to your arguement. Or perhaps your arguement boils down to a spirited "Your mama." That seems to be the level you're operating on. |
| Date | 19:51:26, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | look in the mirror. you're by far the nastiest person on here |
| Date | 21:08:47, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | You're quite correct. My three attempts to bridge the gaps between us that have gone unrepsonded to were clearly meant to be ignored. My Persions of slander have dashed themselves on the rocks of your 300 poigniant Spartans of Clear thinking and diplomacy. |
| Date | 00:13:36, June 09, 2007 CET | From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | giggle giggle |
| Date | 00:13:51, June 09, 2007 CET | From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | giggle giggle |
| Date | 14:28:01, June 13, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Liberal-Conservative Party | To | Debating the Energy cost reduction act |
| Message | We support entirely - any industry is best left to the devices of the private sector. This will harbor competition, eliminate taxes, and inevitably encourage better services, cheaper prices, etc. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 229 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 341 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 29 |
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