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Bill: A Real Electrical Solution
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free Lodamun
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2413
Description[?]:
| This Bill will provide a beneficial change to our electrical options. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on energy generation.
Old value:: All power stations are publicly owned.
Current: Private power stations provide energy for the entire power grid.
Proposed: Small scale private electrical generation is permitted but most energy is generated by a government-owned company.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:59:17, June 05, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | This will reduce the overall cost of energy by introducing competetion on a small scale while still maintaining a reliable infrastructure. |
| Date | 17:24:58, June 05, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | government needs to be out of the electrical business period. |
| Date | 17:46:43, June 05, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | I believe that this is a good comprimise. I will officially cast my vote after the elections, however, as most of these bills will be automatically puched back to debate at that point. |
| Date | 21:48:50, June 05, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | this is far from a comprimise. a real comprimise would've at least allowed private companies to compete alongside the government monopoly. Free Lodamun's proposal is a disgrace. FL is not the party of freedom, clearly the URP is the only party in favor of true capitalism. |
| Date | 22:30:05, June 05, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | Actually, this IS a compromise. The question is: Full on government control or Full on Independent companies. This is a combination of the two, and the first step towards privatizing our electrical grid again. No one expects these small companies to be able to compete at first, but they do provide a viable alternative to the government's control. What's disgraceful is not only your shortsitedness at inviting the corruption that comes with privatizing an entire essential industry immediately and without a slow process, but also your lack of diplomacy. The URP policy seems to be slinging freedom with the right hand and insults with the left. A harsh echo of the PM. |
| Date | 22:42:59, June 05, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | Excuse me, not the PM. I meant EVeritt Diggory. Excuse my faux pas. Despite my differences of opinion with our PM at least he does not insult those who disagree with him (and only disagree with him %20 of the time, might i add). |
| Date | 05:53:29, June 06, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | The URP will continue to "sling freedom." Your so called comprimise has a mighty 5 votes! The only thing you've accomplished is uniting the three major parties in opposition (something which rarely occurs)! |
| Date | 19:28:29, June 06, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | If I read this correctly, the United Republics are against government control of utilities altogether. The "government needs to be out of the electrical business period." However, given the choice between some privatization and no privatization, the United Republics will choose no privatization because... ...okay, this is the part where I get lost, to be honest. It's not an attack, it just doesn't make any sense to me. The United Republics would rather have a complete government monopoly on electricity production if they can't have no government ownership at all? So the URP is voting for strict government control of an industry at the same time the NP is voting for a 100% repeal of industrial regulations in another bill? What's that movie where the two opposite people switch bodies? Hmm...or is it a case of "you scratch my back and I'll vote libertarian?" |
| Date | 04:13:35, June 07, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | Also, the LDP wholeheartedly condemn the association between "freedom" and "capitalism." |
| Date | 05:35:44, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | capitalism and freedom are connected. Read some milton friedman |
| Date | 06:03:37, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | Sure...in the same way representative democracy and freedom for the average citizen are related. Very loosely. I find the drive to create profit seldom creates the freedom that we are led to believe. Capitalism and choice may be connected...but choice is hardly freedom. |
| Date | 06:46:25, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | OOC: did you google "capitalism" and "freedom"? Just because he wrote a book titled that doesn't make him right. In fact, that book itself is predominately simply titled that. he mostly rails against US spending policy (which of course, he was %100 right, a brilliant man) I'll give him this, If he was the first major economist to propose a flax tax as a solution, i'll light a candle on his grave. He's an economist, he's not a historian or a sociologist, which would be the two professions that could create a corrilary between the two concepts. Certainly, one comes with the other, but you could have a capitalist oligarchy. Just because an apple tree can flourish in the same ground as an orange tree, doesn't make them connected. |
| Date | 08:00:53, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | actually i've read friedman. why? did you google him? |
| Date | 08:29:10, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | OOC: "Capitalism and Freedom" was required reading for an economic class i had a hundred years ago. Honostly the only thing that stuck out was the lack of "freedom" in the bulk of the book. Keep in mind it was written while the Cold War was heating up so it was almost %100 criticism of spending policy at the time. But of course you know that as you've written so much information about the book itself on here. I admit I did forget about the flat tax proposal, I think i was just too young to appreciate how great that is and how smart you have to be to call something like that years before a fluid income tax becomes a problem. |
| Date | 10:05:34, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | I didn't realize an essay was required |
| Date | 17:39:07, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | But it is. Right alongside of the required reading list proposed by the URP. |
| Date | 19:11:25, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | hahaha good one. I was just pointing out that the idea of freedom and capitalism are connected, and this is well written about by friedman among others. |
| Date | 14:49:26, June 13, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Liberal-Conservative Party | To | Debating the A Real Electrical Solution |
| Message | We prefer the alternative proposal - any industry is best left to the private sector, for the reasons we have defined in the debate over the alternative bill. We cannot support. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 5 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 565 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 29 |
| Random fact: The voters enjoy active parties who take upon themselves the initiative to create laws. |
| Random quote: "I don't believe you need to be bitch to succeed in business" - Lucinda Redwood, former Luthorian-Dorvish businesswoman |