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Bill: National Security

Details

Submitted by^[?]: (GCCP) H.P. Sauce Committee

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2414

Description^[?]:

The Laws for national security

Tortured under grave emergencies where information. These situations are those that could compromise our national security, for example during times of terrorist activity and threats.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.

Old value:: Torture is never allowed.

Current: Torture is never allowed.

Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	19:55:39, June 06, 2007 CET
From	Gaduri Resistencia
To	Debating the National Security
Message	What if the terrorists are in fact communist freedom fighters?

Date	20:03:41, June 06, 2007 CET
From	(GCCP) H.P. Sauce Committee
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Why would they want to bomb Mother Gaduridos then??

Date	20:08:05, June 06, 2007 CET
From	Gaduri Resistencia
To	Debating the National Security
Message	In the hypothetical situation that such freedom fighters existed and the "I"C knew of their existence, we might suggest that these freedom fighters would target the headquarters of anti-communist groups.

Date	20:12:26, June 06, 2007 CET
From	(GCCP) H.P. Sauce Committee
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Yes but then we are also in charge of "justice" so we could overlook that

Date	20:13:31, June 06, 2007 CET
From	Gaduri Resistencia
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Of course... I forget.

Date	20:13:58, June 06, 2007 CET
From	Gaduri Resistencia
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Justice Minister Rivers issues his approval.

Date	20:16:14, June 06, 2007 CET
From	(GCCP) H.P. Sauce Committee
To	Debating the National Security
Message	hehe good good

Date	12:15:46, June 07, 2007 CET
From	People's Liberation Front
To	Debating the National Security
Message	no

Date	03:27:35, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Capitalists for Prosperity
To	Debating the National Security
Message	No, torture is not necessary during non-emergencies, and it is too slow to work during emergencies. Thus, it should never be applied.

Date	14:11:24, June 14, 2007 CET
From	People's Liberation Front
To	Debating the National Security
Message	although if they are supporters of the Capitalists for Prosperity I will allow it.

Date	17:53:40, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Capitalists for Prosperity
To	Debating the National Security
Message	We'll be sure to look out for your thugs. Maybe we'll torture some of your supporters to figure out any potential ambushes.

Date	17:55:40, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Gaduri Resistencia
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Great. Except: who do you think runs the police?

Date	18:00:43, June 14, 2007 CET
From	(GCCP) H.P. Sauce Committee
To	Debating the National Security
Message	hang on don't we communists run the most of the country

Date	18:05:10, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Gaduri Resistencia
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Precisely. The police is under the interior ministry, which in under CPoG control. Therefore, we're the only ones who'll be doing any torturing.

Date	18:44:49, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Imperial Commonwealth Party
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Yes but you forget me, the fascist, the free movement and liberals made the police, so thus they have our loyality!

Date	19:03:18, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Capitalists for Prosperity
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Did anyone bother to listen to my arguments? Torture takes a massive amount of time to break individuals. During emergencies, torture cannot be fast enough to break the hardened people committing an attack. It would be a useless effort that only hurts our position in the international community.

Date	19:07:54, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Gaduri Resistencia
To	Debating the National Security
Message	Actually, you make a good point, and I'm inclined to switch my vote. If we need information, it can be exchanged for release from the labour camps.

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