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Bill: PM bill 2413

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Ehre und Treue

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2415

Description^[?]:

The title "Staatsminister" shall in all matters be seen as equal to the title "Prime minister" and both titles shall be allowed to be used interchangably.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.

Old value:: Prime Minister

Current: Kanzler/Shushō

Proposed: Staatsminister

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	21:59:33, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Ehre und Treue
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	This is of course not very original, but this is at least something most of us could agree on, I hope.

Date	22:04:29, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	Lord Marshal!

Date	22:27:25, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	we're not willing to change, and the IHP should stick to it's promises to their closest allies.

Date	22:48:17, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Ehre und Treue
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	Why aren't you willing to change?

Date	22:59:33, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	We feel that the current title, combined with the long established translated titles, is completely acceptable. (OOC: the compromise was in order to retain elements of the Westminster system in our Germanic-dominated system)

Date	23:01:23, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Ehre und Treue
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	How about Lord Marshal then?

Date	23:36:07, June 14, 2007 CET
From	Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	The only alternative we would consider would be simply completing the titular translation. That would make it Statsminister in Imperial Hulstrian and Eerste Minister in Low Hulstrian.

Date	20:13:15, June 15, 2007 CET
From	Ehre und Treue
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	Why Statsminister? OOC: Is there an actual Hulstrian word "Statsminister"? In German it would be "Staatsminister", though that would mean "State Minister". At least in modern German one would most probably use "Premierminister".

Date	20:27:57, June 15, 2007 CET
From	Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	OOC: I took it from the Swedish word, because there was no German relative that I knew of. I took the Low Hulstrian from Afrikaans/Dutch

Date	20:52:49, June 15, 2007 CET
From	Ehre und Treue
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	What about fors�tisr��herra?

Date	21:58:10, June 15, 2007 CET
From	Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	OOC: is that Hungarian?

Date	22:06:39, June 15, 2007 CET
From	Ehre und Treue
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	OOC: No, Icelandic, but it wasn't meant seriously. But Hugarian has neither �s nor �s. Well, what about Staatsminister then?

Date	22:14:24, June 15, 2007 CET
From	Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	We would agree to Staatsminister as a compromise, though we are not sure about the other Purple Alliance allies.

Date	22:26:20, June 15, 2007 CET
From	Ehre und Treue
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	We would be content with Prime Minister too, but thought that there might be a wish for a German title. So, we'll propose "Staatsminister".

Date	22:36:20, June 15, 2007 CET
From	Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	Prime Minister Greene: "Should this measure be accepted by the Imperial Diet, I will of course take the necessary provisions to ensure that the formal title is implemented in full. However, I ask that it be allowed to use the two titles interchangably, as I am of the preference of the title of Prime Minister. However, in an imbracement of Hulstrianisation, I accept this measure as a noble step towards the defence of our culture."

Date	01:43:51, June 16, 2007 CET
From	Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	We will accept this

Date	19:29:49, June 16, 2007 CET
From	Crown Loyalists
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	The Crown Loyalists believe that Staatsminister would make a suitable title for our Prime Minister.

Date	23:20:42, June 17, 2007 CET
From	Liberal Party of Hulstria
To	Debating the PM bill 2413
Message	I disagree, I prefer Prime Minister.

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Voting

Vote

Seats

yes

Wiedervereinigten Nationalisten (83)
Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei (79)
Ehre und Treue (46)
Crown Loyalists (0)

Total Seats: 208

United Socialist Workers' Party (235)
Hulstrian Patriotic Superiority Alliance (130)
Liberal Party of Hulstria (115)
Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria (31)

Total Seats: 511

abstain

Total Seats: 0

Random fact: Whilst the use of non-English languages can be appropriate for nation names, party names, constitutional titles and other variables, English is the official language of communication in the game. All descriptive texts and public communications should be in English or at least appear alongside a full English translation.

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