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Bill: Free Lodamese for Free Gambling
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free Lodamun
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2423
Description[?]:
| If taken to the extreme, gambling can damage both the integrity and the pocketbook of the nation that hosts it. This will allow Local Governments to decide what's best for them. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to gamble.
Old value:: Gambling is legal across the nation, no regulation whatsoever.
Current: Gambling is illegal unless taking place in a licensed casino.
Proposed: The legality of gambling is a matter of local governments.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:01:30, June 15, 2007 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | Once again bait and switch. There's nothing "Free" about this bill. It will allow local governments to REGULATE what is now unregulated. Lodamese should be free to make bad choices. |
| Date | 08:43:28, June 15, 2007 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | regulations and taxes are completely different. the government may not regulate shoe production but it still taxes shoe companies. Gambling companies such as casinos are taxed and winnings are income which is also taxed. Maybe small stakes games at someone's house aren't taxed, but local governments couldn't enforce these taxes either. Also if you bother to read what you proposed, it says that states determine the LEGALITY of gaming. The URP believes all Lodamese should continue to have this right. |
| Date | 17:40:54, June 15, 2007 CET |
From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | On another topic, you would be right. Howeverm there is not a clause concerning taxing gambling establishments. As such, regulation in this case includes taxation.
And of course Lodamese deserve the right to gamble, this would ensure that directly elected local governments are the ones making the decisions. |
| Date | 20:43:50, June 15, 2007 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | NO, gambling is taxed and for you to say otherwise is completely dishonest. Taxing and Regulation are totally different issues. Currently we do not regulate gambling but we do tax it. To put forward a bill that will let individual kingdoms determine the legality or illegality of gambling and then say it's so gambling can be taxed is completely dishonest. |
| Date | 21:07:23, June 15, 2007 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | No it doesn't say gambling is taxed, but gambling businesses are taxed like all other businesses unless it specifically says somewhere that they are tax exempt - which it does not. Also, winnings are considered income which as I already mention is taxed. So gambling would be taxed under our corporation tax and income tax. So I don't know how FL concluded it's not taxed. |
| Date | 22:59:49, June 15, 2007 CET |
From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | I know how much you rail against small government but consider this. Our nation is not only mostly conservative, but mostly in favor of a small federal government, it is important to them. Why would we deny Kingdoms the right to decide what's best for them? If the status quo is working for them, they will simply keep things the way the are. If it isn't, they will change it and thank us for that.
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| Date | 03:05:24, June 16, 2007 CET |
From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | United R P, you do realize that in order for gambling to be taxed that presently the individuals who have winnings from our gambling institutions must actually report that they won money. OF course then it is taxable income. Here's the thing, I bet that almost no one does such a thing, even you. Probably especially you which would explain why you are so vehemently against this bill. Regulations could include forcing local businesses to make their customers report their winnings before they were able to cash out their chips. I am completely in favor of this bill and others like it. |
| Date | 11:32:16, June 16, 2007 CET |
From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | It's hard to track, yes. Considering most people lose their money or walk away with a few bucks, but local governments couldn't tax this either. Big jackpots aren't paid in cash, they're paid by check which is a written record and reported to the Lodamese IRS. |
| Date | 02:03:07, July 03, 2007 CET |
From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Free Lodamese for Free Gambling | | Message | Yeah... sorry. This was very old legislation that someone pointed out I needed to put to a vote or get rid of. And since I check my messages before I check what's up for vote... I didn't see your's.
On the plus side, your's should go through first so if there's any credit to be gleaned from either bill, it is your's. Also, I supported your's as well. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 127 |
| no | Total Seats: 362 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 110 |
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