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Bill: Crime Deterrant Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Party of Moderates
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2429
Description[?]:
| An act to get the death penalty applied once more for the sake of preventing crime within Aldegar. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:34:25, June 17, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Reform Party | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | we cannot support |
| Date | 21:10:21, June 17, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | Why not? This is a glorious bill that will save lives. |
| Date | 23:56:54, June 17, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Reform Party | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | How does killing someone save lives |
| Date | 00:21:07, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | The death penalty is the ultimate punishment. Fear of consequences and punishment is one of the two things that stop people from committing crimes. If people believe that they're going to be killed if they kill someone themselves, they won't kill anyone to begin with. |
| Date | 06:43:39, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | We certainly support. The death penalty is a fantastic deterrant for criminals. Remember, the aim of implimenting this policy is not to go and slaughter hundreds of people - it's the OPPOSITE: this legislation is designed to stop criminals from committing their crime in the first place, so that they do not even have to be issued the death penalty. |
| Date | 12:15:19, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Democrats | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | We find this bill abhorrent. The Progressive Democrats will never support capital punishment. |
| Date | 14:57:47, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | So, let me get this straight. The ARP and the PD have more sympathy for murderers than the people they conspire to kill? Did you hear nothing from what we or the ALCP just said? |
| Date | 16:06:04, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Reform Party | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | The death penalty does not actually dter criminals studies have found. To murder someone you either have to be insane or in an extreme case of emotional shock. In either of these cases you are not thinking through the consequences so the death penalty is not a deterent. Also many people would rather be killed than spend their lives in jail. |
| Date | 18:18:49, June 18, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | What fruitcase put those facts into your head? First of all, that extreme emotional shock is called anger, sadness, or some other emotion. In any of those cases, you're responsible for restraining yourself, and any action you take you are responsible for. Believe it or not, being human means that you sometimes have to have restraint. As for insanity, if people are truly found insane because of something like schizophrenia, they will be sent to a sanitarium, not to death row. Furthermore, how does either insanity or emotions go into play when something kills another for money? In those cases, the murder is cold and calculating. Hardly a mark of either of the two scenarios you specified. I suppose the murderer could be a sociopath, but that isn't real insanity. Besides, sociopaths are so common that exceptions can't be made for them. It's more important that we give security to non-sociopaths. As sociopaths still think rationally (even though they think differently because of holes in their conscious), they understand the concept of punishment. Furthermore, while most normal people say they would much rather die than spend the rest of their lives in jail, murderers aren't really all that normal, and people don't always mean what they say, even if they think they do. In jail, murderers can build up a little empire for themselves based on reputation and live a life sometimes near the same quality as when they're out of jail. They can take advantage of corrupt guards to get drugs. They can have relations with other prisoners. Some murderers might actually like the experience. By the way, where did you get that idea from anyway that people would much rather die than spend their lives in jail? Another thing, enforcing the death penalty costs a lot less money than housing a prisoner for the rest of their lives, and don't say that it doesn't, because we know that bullets don't cost that much. Why should taxpayers pay for housing someone that has killed one of them? |
| Date | 09:24:40, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the Crime Deterrant Act |
| Message | OOC: I know that usually we should not use real world examples of things, but in this case I kinda feel the need to speak up. I don't know what studies you guys have been looking at that have allegedly 'proven' that the death penalty is not a strong deterrant, but I need only one example to prove that the death penalty is one of the best deterrants around: One country...SINGAPORE!!! Singapore has capital punishment, thanks to a fantastic man called Lee Kwan Yew, and due to their harsh punishments and their tough stance on crime, and primarily due to the threat of capital punishment, their crime rates have diminished so much so that now they actually do not have a high enough rate in crime to constitute a stastic. They literally are not included in most crime statistic charts, because they do not have enough. The death penalty does not deter? Go figure! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 242 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 339 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 52 |
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