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Bill: Religious Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Secular Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2416
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government selectively screens which religions are permitted to send missionaries to the nation. Certain religions are approved and travel is unregulated.
Current: Foreign missionaries are welcomed and encouraged by the government.
Proposed: Foreign missionaries are welcomed and encouraged by the government.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Current: No religions are taxed.
Proposed: No religions are taxed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:15:43, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Teleurstelling Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | On Article 1, we whole heartedly support this concept. But on Article 2, Anyone could claim religious status to avoid taxation. IN order to avoid blanket abuse of the tax relief it must have some type of regulation and that regulation is thatthe government must recognize the religion as being a genuine religion and not merely a *claim*. We respectfully request the Secular Party re-write the proposal eliminating Article 2. |
| Date | 05:16:48, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | We'll do so as soon as we get more proposals. |
| Date | 05:24:41, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Christian People's Party (IA) | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | Islam, paganism, scientology ect a big NO from us |
| Date | 05:42:01, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | That's a little bigoted, don't you think? |
| Date | 05:46:37, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Christian People's Party (IA) | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | You say bigoted, we say common sense |
| Date | 05:54:29, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | Nevermind that they're all legitimate beliefs. What business is it of the state, or anybody for that matter, to decide what views are good and what aren't? Most muslims are peace-seeking people who reject the radical fundamentalist cult. Sure, scientologists are a little out there when you consider normality, but some people would say that a virgin getting pregnant is a little out there, too. As for paganism, I don't see why you're against that, especially since Christianity has gotten a lot of traditions from Paganism. |
| Date | 06:08:18, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Christian People's Party (IA) | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | The only muslims that are peaceful is the ones that are only thinking about killing you. Feel free to enlighten yourself on scientology ( http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/vieworganization.php?organizationid=522 ). "virgin birth" or Parthenogenesis happens in nature "daily" so it is not "out there". And paganism is just plain bad |
| Date | 06:14:46, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | Funny, I have some muslim friends, and sometimes it seems they can't hurt a fly. As for scientology, no matter how much a scam a set of beliefs might seem to non-believers, a person has a right to believe in them unless they advocate violence. As for paganism, considering that such events as Christmas and Easter have a lot of Pagan references, you'd think you'd warm up to it. |
| Date | 06:36:34, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Christian People's Party (IA) | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | I think that this debate has become a little ooc |
| Date | 06:41:06, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | When you debate with me, that tends to happen, mainly because I'll debate about anything. |
| Date | 06:45:24, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Christian People's Party (IA) | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | We stand by what we have said. OOC: i have the same problem but i just prefere to dabate in my own language not english |
| Date | 16:51:12, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | This Holy Empire is a ratifier of at least one treaty with the aim or eradicating Scientology. We will not lessen our efforts now. |
| Date | 17:21:08, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | Bigotry. Whatever happened to the Lord loving everyone? |
| Date | 22:31:09, June 19, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | Wherever did you get an idea like that? God only loves the people of Israel and encourages them to kill or enslave all the nations around them. |
| Date | 21:35:43, June 20, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Religious Reform |
| Message | You're really a liberal, aren't you? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 100 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Moderation will not implement nation renaming requests where the proposed name does not comply with the requirements set out in the Nation Renaming Guide: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6364 |
| Random quote: "Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages." - Thomas A. Edison |