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Bill: New Military Industry
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free Lodamun
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2419
Description[?]:
Some clarification on each article: Article 1.) In order to keep better ties on our defense industry, we propose that the state funds their own research labs. These would not reduce the number of private businesses. In fact, we intend for our nationalized program to work hand in hand with the private sector to keep Lodamun at the top of the industry for the betterment of our country and the private businesses helping. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 21:00:42, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | I understand that these are varied and all 3 will not be supported, in the event of a failure I will introduce them individually. |
Date | 21:08:42, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | I can agee to articles 2+3 but not 1, we feel that defence industries in private hands is a dangerous thing. It is open for abuse and corruption. |
Date | 21:11:12, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | We can agree to articles 1 and 2, but we still see 3 as far too easy to abuse. |
Date | 21:23:43, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | 4 months of military training is pointless, wasteful of resources, and wasteful of the time of professionals. |
Date | 21:25:35, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | Would the NMP prefer a longer period? |
Date | 21:37:46, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | We will probably have to vote against this, because of Article Two. We see peacetime conscription as wasteful of resources, and the time of the young men and women in our nation. |
Date | 21:38:30, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | We're open to a longer period. Truth be told, We've been down this road and FL is attempting to compromise. If we can get the votes together, We would certainly be in favor of a year. |
Date | 22:40:49, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | National Service teaches our youth skills they may need later in life. It also teaches respect of others and authority. Also only having conscription in times of war is stupid as you end up with a untrained rabble that wouldnt last long in the field. If needed for war our people would have the skills and knowledge needed to survive in a war. |
Date | 00:28:12, June 24, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | Skills they may need? Most citizens will never require the need to kill, or to march 4 miles in full combat gear in an hour, or to understand basic drill. Respect and authority is more likely to be taught by parents, teachers and sunday school than it is through four months of basic military training. Conscription is only needed in war if one is fighting total war. However for most wars a small but highly professional and well armed army is needed. Conscription reduces the professionalism of a force and ensures that money is wasted on the training of conscripts who serve no real purpose as they lack the motivation of a professional soldier. Citizen armies are all very nice, but they lack the cutting edge of a volunteer army. |
Date | 00:39:31, June 24, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | The URP cannot support a single aspect of this bill. |
Date | 01:14:47, June 24, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | The bill was broken apart to better facilitate debate. Now, this thread is only on the above article. |
Date | 01:58:42, June 24, 2007 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | We will agree to this. |
Date | 17:12:32, June 24, 2007 CET | From | Communist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | A small step to nationalization. The CPL supports. |
Date | 17:35:58, June 25, 2007 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the New Military Industry |
Message | Aren't there some defense pursuits that we want to control completely: sensitive or important jobs we can't trust to private companies? I hate to consider trusting our nuclear arsenal to a corporation. This would allow us to establish an agency to work with existing private companies. This will create jobs and perhaps create some small competition for private companies, allowing them to expand into new aspects of defense. Though we don't see it as a step toward nationalization, the NDP can support this bill. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||||
yes |
Total Seats: 281 | ||||||
no |
Total Seats: 279 | ||||||
abstain | Total Seats: 39 |
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