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Bill: Weapon Sales Law

Details

Submitted by[?]: Social Democratic Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 2419

Description[?]:

Under this bill weapons can only be exported on a case to case basis.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date03:26:24, June 25, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageSo if there's a genocide, and our private defense industries would be supporting that genocide because there's no law that says that we can't overlook each arms sale on a case by case basis and like you said in another debate people "are just in it for money," so I guess they won't care who they are selling weapons and arms to.

Date03:27:06, June 25, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageThat lovely quote was provided by the Classical Liberal Party.

Date19:44:49, June 25, 2007 CET
FromHaLeumit Tikvah
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageSo what exactly makes you think the state has the right to judge what cases are moral enough for companies to make a sale? Governments arent impartial- they will approve or deny based on their national interest. If you can come up with some impartial, morally superior body to judge whether a company can sell weapons then fine, but im afraid it doesnt exist, and pretending the government would fulfil this role is ludicrous

Date20:40:36, June 25, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageYou don't put any trust in government, they will always do what they want huh? you don't trust people no matter what. So in fact why don't you vote yes because that will advance our national interest, or you don't support that either?

Date21:17:21, June 25, 2007 CET
FromHaLeumit Tikvah
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageYes, governments will do what is in the nations interest, or what will win them the most votes.

This has nothing to do with trust in people, all we were saying is that nobody is morally superior.

We would prefer people who are only in it in the money than a government deciding who can have weapons, given the types of government we see all over Terra

Date00:27:00, June 26, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageSo you are a advocate of corporatism??

Date01:48:05, June 26, 2007 CET
FromHaLeumit Tikvah
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageNo, is the simple answer, we were simply meaning that a corporation knows as much about morality as the government.

Date01:58:43, June 26, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageWhoa i don't know who in this world thinks that except for you and the Republican Party, I bielieve that there are many more people in government who care more about morality than in a corporation, think about that one for a minute.

Date02:04:16, June 26, 2007 CET
FromHaLeumit Tikvah
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageMorality is subjective. It doesnt really exist. Im sure these people in government mean well, but they are merely pushing their views of right and wrong on the nation.

Date02:06:21, June 26, 2007 CET
FromHaLeumit Tikvah
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
Message(ooc: btw, again you cant use real world examples, and while im not from the US, dont the Republicans care a whole lot about christian morality and stuff?)

Date02:07:54, June 26, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageBut this is a bill on who you trust more, a corporation or the government whose country you reside in, who do you trust more in??

Date02:16:36, June 26, 2007 CET
FromHaLeumit Tikvah
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageNo it isnt, its about whether the government should have the right to tell the companies who they can sell weapons. Since we dont believe the government has any moral superiority over corporations, we wont support this.

Date02:21:25, June 26, 2007 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
Messageof course they do! politicians go into the job on the basis of wanting to help people and be leaders, corporate excecutives are driven by money and capital what do you mean the government dosen't have any moral superiority over CEO's

Date02:27:46, June 26, 2007 CET
FromHaLeumit Tikvah
ToDebating the Weapon Sales Law
MessageEven if we live in this idealistic world where politicians want only to help people and have no ulterior motives, that still doesn't give them the right to tell corporations, or any people, what to do

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