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Bill: Higher Education Bill II amendment

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: January 2699

Description^[?]:

In order to lessen the ambiguity of the current legislation whereby, as it has been pointed out, the legislation does not take into account how much each student is aided and nor does it take into account the fact that differing students come from different backgrounds. This proposed system whereby means-testing is used does take this into account (no figures shall be used until the economy is up and running, for as stands the numbers will mean nothing). Moreover the tax payer does not lose out as the student repays this loan as they can afford it.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Higher education tuition policy.

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Current: The government subsidizes tuition only for students from families classified as low-income or poor.

Proposed: The government introduces means tested loans for higher education tuition, to be paid back by students after earnings reach a certain amount.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	16:08:33, August 06, 2005 CET
From	Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	So is anyone going to comment?

Date	05:44:02, August 07, 2005 CET
From	Catholic Workers Movement
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	Large loans, we feel, can saddle a graduating student with an enormous debt load. A university education, sadly, is not a ticket to a lucrative job. Therefore we prefer scholarships to loans. The proposal also seems to reduce the total amount of government subsidy to the operating budget of universities, and this is not something we would wish to support. Certainly we have no objections to means testing, and a programme in which only the low-income students get scholarships, but the other elements seem to make this a roll-back to our education system. On balance, this is not a proposal that we would recommend to the government, although we are open to persuasion.

Date	20:13:28, August 07, 2005 CET
From	Partisans And Artisans League
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	The PALs position is... I dunno. Yes NMRP, you have stumped me for words.

Date	20:14:36, August 07, 2005 CET
From	Partisans And Artisans League
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	Why should only poor kids get scholarships? Oh wait do you mean government or private scholarships?

Date	23:07:56, August 08, 2005 CET
From	Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	@PAL in a good way? Or a bad way? ;)

Date	14:20:39, August 09, 2005 CET
From	Partisans And Artisans League
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	Yeah I really don't have a clue what tosay about this so that, I assume, is a good way...

Date	15:27:55, August 09, 2005 CET
From	Social-Liberal Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	We are, in principle, supportive of this proposal although we would like to see it fleshed out a bit.

Date	01:52:50, August 12, 2005 CET
From	Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	@SLP fleshed out in what way?

Date	01:40:33, August 13, 2005 CET
From	Social-Liberal Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	OOC: well, it now makes OOC references to the game being up and running and such. might be nice to have an IC bill. I will not vote against it, of course, but I'm just anal like that :P

Date	07:06:41, August 14, 2005 CET
From	People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	The culture of debt must be destroyed, not subsidized! The Peoples Youth provides all the sharp shooting and hand-to-hand training Beluzias youngsters require! Further education can easilly be earned from traitor-bounty and loot!

Date	17:41:43, August 18, 2005 CET
From	Partisans And Artisans League
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	uh....eh.....mmmm doughnut!

Date	23:17:52, February 21, 2006 CET
From	LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	???

Date	08:09:13, February 24, 2006 CET
From	Moderate Beluzians
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	Just a reminder that you never placed this in a vote.

Date	11:28:15, May 21, 2007 CET
From	Constitutional Monarchy Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	No i hate Means testing!!!!!! GRRR lol everybody should be entitled or nobody at all. Just because you have rich parents, you do not get their money!!

Date	22:49:41, August 01, 2007 CET
From	Beluzian Workers Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	Withdraw or vote please.

Date	00:16:44, January 19, 2009 CET
From	Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	You can easily have means testing whereby the individuals economic situation is taken into account instead of the parents.

Date	00:18:05, January 19, 2009 CET
From	Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	Finally after four years the Higher Education Bill II amendment is put to vote. :D

Date	18:43:50, January 19, 2009 CET
From	Constitutional Monarchy Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	I hate means testing! It has haunted me all the way through my education! I didn't get EMA in sixth form, and I am not entitled to any bursaries at University! All because of what my parents earn... what a crap system it is!

Date	03:08:00, January 20, 2009 CET
From	Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	ooc:When I went the EMA was only just starting up so I didn't qualify, I don't get any bursaries either nor do I get the full amount of loan. IG: However it does mean, in comparison to the current Beluzian system, that an increased number of students will get their tuition fees paid for. This bill, it should be stressed, only covers tuition policy it doesn't cover anything else.

Date	05:35:07, January 20, 2009 CET
From	People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia
To	Debating the Higher Education Bill II amendment
Message	Govt. should just fully subsidize education. What else is more worth spending $ on?

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Voting

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Seats

yes

Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party (41)

Total Seats: 41

Constitutional Monarchy Party (162)
People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia (54)
Palacin-Sagitarrius Party (0)

Total Seats: 216

abstain

National Socialist Imperialist League (305)
Beluzian Defense and Federalist Party (188)
totaljayhawk Party (0)

Total Seats: 493

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