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Bill: Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2423
Description[?]:
| That the His Serene Majesty's Navy, Air Force and Army be staffed only by MEN of sound moral and religious character. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Discrimination in the military on grounds of race/religion.
Old value:: The government does not interfere with the military over who can serve in it.
Current: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Proposed: Candidates must be of a certain race/religion to have any place in the military.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women serve in segregated units.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women have no place in the military.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:57:14, July 03, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This bill shall ensure that only Luthori men of a recognised Christian denomination may serve in our military. It is essential to ensure no sedition, treason or mutiny and that His Serene Majesty's Armed Forces remain loyal to the traditions of the Holy Empire. |
| Date | 12:42:03, July 03, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Christian Women's Association | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This is a very unfortunate piece of legislation which will send our armed forces retreating back into their old prejudices. I yield the floor. Belinda Braithwate (Viceroy & Leader of the LCWA) |
| Date | 13:31:52, July 03, 2007 CET | From | Teleurstelling Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker Recently a fellow of mine with in the Part made the statement "The Falls Party will vote for a reduction in the Military". I yield the floor. |
| Date | 13:46:17, July 03, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The military will not be greatly reduced by this legislation, Luthori men constitute the vast majority of servicemen. We have a professional military and two years national service, women will still be able to take non-military national service. |
| Date | 18:21:49, July 03, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This is a sickening and bigoted bill, but we may vote for it if it means we can restrict the LPP supporters from joining the military. I yield the floor. |
| Date | 23:04:54, July 03, 2007 CET | From | Christian Royalist Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | At first we were in favor of this bill for the morality of keeping women out of combat roles but it has become clear to us that this could be registered by the people as a pacifist military act. |
| Date | 23:22:09, July 03, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | OOC: How could shaping the military along chauvanistic lines ever be confused with pacifism? |
| Date | 00:30:46, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | OOC: You're taking out a huge chunk of the military and significantly reducing its size. |
| Date | 01:09:43, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | ooc: No, you're not, so far as the game is concerned. I think this bill affects morality rather than militarism/pacifism. |
| Date | 13:52:28, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | OOC: Quite right: you're not. Even withour defence budget our armed forces couldn't be so big that there aren't enough straight Christian men in whole Empire to keep it up to strength. To think otherwise would be to suggest that such a large proportion of the adult population are in the forces that we can't cope without the odd black one-legged lesbian Muslim. |
| Date | 15:55:46, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | OOC: Tell that to those people who form a large percentage of the army. Tell me, why do you insist on weakening our army? Why do you insist on weakening this nation's moral compass? |
| Date | 16:01:58, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | OOC: You'll find that we score on morality for supporting bills like this, while you become more and more permissive. |
| Date | 16:03:26, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | OOC: Freedom is a large part of morality. |
| Date | 16:09:22, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | OOC: Freedom to commit immoral acts? And to be treated as though this is normal and you are an equal? No. |
| Date | 20:12:55, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | OOC: What immoral acts are being committed by born a certain skin color or gender? If you're talking about homosexuality, then what immoral acts are being committed by the consensual acts by two adults in their own bedroom? Who do you think you are, the sex police? |
| Date | 01:07:27, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, If the thought of living by God's Laws upsets the Hon Members for the Secular Party, can I suggest they find somewhere to live other than a Holy Christian Empire? I yield the floor. |
| Date | 17:49:56, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Armed Forces Recruitment Act, 2422 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We assert that this bill will NOT weaken the Empire's military. The military is in the large part made up by those persons this bill describes, and has been so until the amoral changes made by the Luthori Women's Christian Association recently. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 45 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 55 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: RP laws follow the same passing rules as in-game variable laws. Laws that are not of a constitutional nature require a simple majority "Yes" vote from active parties currently holding seats. Laws that are of a constitutional nature require a 2/3 majority "Yes" vote from active parties currently holding seats. RP laws may be abolished a simple majority vote this applies to ANY RP law. |
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