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Bill: Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms
Details
Submitted by[?]: Secular Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2426
Description[?]:
| Upon passing, the name of the Holy Luthori Empire shall be changed to Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:17:07, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | A country with a monarch is not, by definition, a Republic. Does the Secular party, Mr Speaker, propose to betray His Serene Majesty, who rules over us by the Grace of God? If so this is treason. Punishable, we believe, by death. |
| Date | 01:42:17, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Christian Women's Association | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We favour maintaining Luthori's tradition of a constitutional monarchy, and in keeping with that principle, prefer "Empire" to "Republic". I yield the floor. Belinda Braithwaite (Viceroy & Leader of the LCWA) |
| Date | 06:32:21, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Christian Royalist Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We strongly object, as we are quite proud of the title of the empire. Furthermore the Republic is not holy, but rather the people that make up the empire. |
| Date | 14:31:50, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It pleases us greatly to see the The Most Excellent Viceress unfurling her loyalist colours. We applaud all our Rt Hon and Hon Friends for condemning this bill and back their calls for the proposers execution for treason. I yield the floor. |
| Date | 16:00:04, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, How does this name sound to you? I yield the floor. |
| Date | 16:08:23, July 04, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, If one of our Presbyteries were given some kind of limited independence then I would fully support a title such as Holy Luthori Kingdom of Utagia, for instance. But to revert our proud Empire to being a mere Kingdom, and to attempt to relegate HSM The Holy Luthori Emperor as such, is unacceptable to us. Might we suggest that if the name is to be changed at all, it should be 'Holy Artanian Empire of Luthori Kingdoms' or something similar. I yield the floor. |
| Date | 02:45:18, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Teleurstelling Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This is Legislative Sedition. I yield the floor, I do not yield our nation. |
| Date | 03:24:12, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, If there was widespread popular support for a move away from the name Empire, which I don't there is, might I suggest one option would be 'Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms'? This way HSM The Holy Luthori Emperor need not change his title. I yield the floor, I also do not yield our multinational empire of numerous kingdoms. |
| Date | 16:52:56, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Is this better for everyone? I yield the floor. |
| Date | 17:03:16, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Christian Women's Association | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | OOC: You need to update the Bill description as well as the title :-) |
| Date | 17:47:11, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We fail to understand the necessity of a name change. Equally, the Empire is not a commonwealth, which is by definition a loose association of governments, but in fact an Empire in the classical and modern sense of the word. We oppose any change of name wholeheartedly. ooc: Why'd you want to change it, Secular Party? |
| Date | 22:18:55, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | OOC: An empire sounds too violent. We should appear as civilized to the international community, not imperialistic. |
| Date | 22:22:58, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | OOC: Violent like Japan? |
| Date | 22:27:34, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | OOC: I don't believe the Japan calls itself an empire. They just have a traditional emperor, which is a different matter. |
| Date | 22:36:12, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | ooc: The difference being, Japan has never called itself an Empire. It has been called 'the land of the sun's origin' and 'the country of the eight islands' in Japanese. The only reason the Japanese Emperor is called an Emperor today is because of the Chinese influence, he was originally a religious leader. We are based on the Holy Roman Empire, however and there's no IC reason to change the name. We lose the RP connection if we become a commonwealth, and also being a Holy Empire is unique on Terra. The word Empire doesn't connote violence. The German Empire was united through economic means, the Holy Roman Empire was a collection of kingdoms, baronies and duchies that elected their Emperor as a representative of God on Earth to rival the influence of the Pope, the British Empire was formed through colonisation and economic means, and although it was involved in wars it was no more than any other country at the time. |
| Date | 23:05:45, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | ooc: Actually, you're right. Japan was the 'Great Empire of Japan' or the 'Empire of the Sun' after the Meiji Restoration until the Second World war. It wasn't a violent power until the Second World War, and out of around 2,500 years of history had been officially called an Empire for fifty. I think Empire is more poetic a name than Commonwealth, also. |
| Date | 18:33:37, July 06, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I wonder if anyone would favour a name such as the Holy Oalapan Empire of Luthori Nations? This would, of course, mean relocating the Imperial Capital back to its traditional home in Utagia, and a change of His Serene Majesty's, and his Viceroy's titles (OOC: the Emperor's title is in the national motto). I yield the floor. |
| Date | 16:25:03, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Christian Commonwealth of Holy Luthori Kingdoms |
| Message | ooc: There's been no RP for this change, guys. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 55 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 45 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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