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Bill: Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2426
Description[?]:
| OOC: My proposal for a unity government because while I would obvious prefer the continuation of the sole Hulstrian Monarchy I do not believe it can be maintained in the coming weeks and because Rainer IV is going to die in the near future as he's in his 80's now and I detest having dead people on the throne. Also sorry for not commenting on the other proposal I haven't had the time and proposing my idea en mass was just easier. - The Monarchies- The nation currently known as the Imperial Crownlands of Greater Hulstria will be modified to the Dual Monarchy of Hustria & Gao-Soto. The Monarchy will be divided between the historic Emperors of the Hulstrians, the Kaiser and the Gao-Showa, the Tenno(?). The Hulstrian Kaiser will be drawn from the Rothingren-Traugott family, or a cadet branch unless such time as the Rothingren-Traugott line becomes extincted after which the closest living direct Noble Bloodline will assume the throne. The same applies for the Meiji(?) and the Tenno. The Monarchy will be divided into two halves, with the Kaiser reigning over Hulstria, Budenlar, and Kuratha from Kien and the Tenno over Hilgar and Mitrania from Akihito(aka Kaiserburg). Both Emperors will retain ceremonial powers as Head of State. -The Joint Government- A joint government will be created in the names of both the Kaiser and Tenno centered in Kien. The Imperial Diet will remain located there to act as a joint Diet while the Hulstrian Diet and Gao Showa Diet will be created in their respective capital cities to oversee the affairs of their respective Emperors' governments. The Head of Government will exercise the powers of the Head of State not delegated to the Emperors. The Head Government will be known as the Lord Protector of Their Majesties' Government, or Lord Protector for short. He/she will be elected based on a popular vote, and may not be anyone in line for either for the Phoenix(Hulstrian) or Chrysanthemum(?)(Gao Showa) Thrones. -National Symbols- New unity national symbols will be established for the Dual Monarchy unless old it is agreed that an old one is to be kept. Each respective Monarchy may also establish national symbols. Curling will remain the national sport without question because Hulstrians and the Gao Showa both love Curling. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The lyrics of the national anthem.
Old value:: Ringing out from our blue heavens, From our deep seas breaking round, Over everlasting mountains, Where the echoing crags resound, From our plains where creaking wagons, Cut their trails into the earth, Calls the spirit of our country, Of the land that gave us birth. At thy call we shall not falter, Firm and steadfast we shall stand, At thy will to live or perish, O Hulstria, dear land. In our body and our spirit, In our inmost heart held fast; In the promise of our future, And the glory of our past; In our will, our work, our striving, From the cradle to the grave- There's no land that shares our loving, And no bond that can enslave. Thou hast borne us and we know thee, May our deeds to all proclaim Our enduring love and service To thy honour and thy name. In thy power, Almighty, trusting, Did our fathers build of old; Strengthen then, O Lord, their children To defend, to love, to hold- That the heritage they gave us For our children yet may be; Bondsmen only to the Highest And before the whole world free. As our fathers trusted humbly, Teach us, Lord to trust Thee still; Guard our land and guide our people In Thy way to do Thy will.
Current:
| 川が流れ、平野が広がる地に、 太陽の抱擁の下、露の優しい潮時に、 海と山々の間、美の誇りに、 自由の歩みの中、団結して立つ。 勇気の地よ、春の最初の日のように緑、 かつて勇敢な者たちがその命を捧げた君のために。 彼らの犠牲は、永遠に私たちの権利として残る、 自由の子供たち、調和の中で祈ります。 多様な系統から、一つの国、大胆で自由な、 すべてに見える統一の遺産。 二つの民族の地、連帯の中で、 私たちが永遠に大切にする、平和と統一の中で。 ====================================== In Ländern, wo Flüsse fließen und Ebenen weit sich strecken, Unter der Sonne Umarmung, im Tau's sanften Wecken, Zwischen dem Meer und Gipfeln, in Schönheit's Stolz, Stehen wir vereint, im Freiheitsschritt so holz. Oh Land des Mutes, grün wie der Frühling's erster Tag, Für dich, gaben die Tapferen einst ihr Leben, ohne Klage. Ihr Opfer, unser Geburtsrecht, für immer zu bleiben, Kinder der Freiheit, in Harmonie wir treiben. Aus diversen Strängen, eine Nation, mutig und frei, Ein Vermächtnis der Einheit, für alle sichtbar dabei. Ein Land zweier Völker, in Solidarität, Mögen wir für immer bewahren, in Frieden und Einigkeit. ====================================== In lands where rivers flow and plains stretch wide, Beneath the sun's embrace, in dew's gentle tide, Between the sea and peaks, in beauty's pride, We stand united, in freedom's stride. Oh, land of valor, green as spring's first day, For thee, the bold once gave their lives away. Their sacrifice, our birthright, forever to stay, Children of liberty, in harmony we pray. From diverse strains, one nation, bold and free, A legacy of unity for all to see. A land of two peoples, in solidarity, May we forever cherish, in peace and unity. |
Proposed:
| Dear land of our fathers, of rivers and plains; Made rich by the sunshine, and lush by the rains, Set gem-like and fair, between mountains and sea, Your children salute you, dear land of the free. Long live the Tenno! Long live the Kaiser! Hulstria and Gao-Soto! Green land of our fathers, our heroes of yore, Both native and settler, laid bones on your shore. This soil so they hallowed, and from them are we, All sons of one Mother, the home of the free. Long live the Tenno! Long live the Kaiser! Hulstria and Gao-Soto! Great land of our fathers, diverse though our strains, We're born of their sacrifice, heirs of their pains, And ours is the glory their eyes did not see, One land of two peoples, united and free. Long live the Tenno! Long live the Kaiser! Hulstria and Gao-Soto! |
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Proposed: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/3359/gishotonflag3ct8.png
Current: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Flag_of_Telmar.svg
Proposed: http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/Burnup/?action=view¤t=hgph2s.png
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Prime Minister
Current: Kanzler/Shushō
Proposed: Lord Protector
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Kaiser
Current: Präsident/Shachō
Proposed: Lord Protector
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The method used to determine the number of seats each region receives in the national legislature.
Old value:: A proportional algorithm that gives a very small advantage to larger regions.
Current: Equal representation, regardless of region population.
Proposed: Equal representation, regardless of region population.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 719
Current: 75
Proposed: 500
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:17:29, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | Discuss |
| Date | 04:21:48, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | OOC: I'm open to suggestions especially for the National Anthem and Animal. On the subject of the animal, I'm just throwing this out there if we don't keep the Phoenix, I'm thinking a Moose, as usual. |
| Date | 04:41:28, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | OOC: I think that we should keep our system and the monarchy the way they are. A duel monarchy would never work, it is too complicated. And although I believe the number of seats in the Diet should be lowered, 75 is much too small a number. I believe it should be between 400 and 500. |
| Date | 13:56:41, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party of Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | You want to throw down the monarchy? |
| Date | 14:16:32, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | OOC: I'm happy with maintaining the Nation Animal as is and as you know I've never been enamored to the moose. I'm also willing to write a national anthem, I'll probably do it after lunch. I'm not so sure about Lord Protector, but unless I can think of a more interesting one I'll support that. LDS, I undertsnad your concerns with the Dual Monarchy but it can work. Not having the monarchy displayed on the site works in the Holy Luthori Empire and for all intents and purposes that is exactly what is happening here. It will be explained to any newcomers on the wiki and I assume in that OOC bill we've got open. Also I agree with 500 setas, it's a good number. |
| Date | 14:39:03, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | OOC: The Monarchy will continue in almost exactly its same capacity it just won't be listed on the main site, however I'm sure we will write up a large bit for the wiki. This also makes it easier to have Kaisers die because I don't have to have the constitution changed to an elected HoS, then have an early election to replace him, and then rewrite the constitution again to a hereditary HoS all the while hoping that any anti monarchy parties don't get the election or a 1/3 minority. Plus it will keep away any of those annoying terrorist Gao Showa Parties. And honestly, unlike when I reinstalled the monarchy, without atleast 5 parties theres no way I can maintain it when I go on holiday establish since it seems that atleast 3 of us will be gonna at the same time and I'm probably going to have to inactivate because I will be without a computer for a while. |
| Date | 17:15:53, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | A ntional anthem has been written! (OOC: or stolen of Guyana, whatever) Dear land of our fathers, of rivers and plains; Made rich by the sunshine, and lush by the rains, Set gem-like and fair, between mountains and sea, Your children salute you, dear land of the free. Long live the Tenno! Long live the Kaiser! Hulstria and Gao-Soto! Green land of our fathers, our heroes of yore, Both native and settler, laid bones on your shore. This soil so they hallowed, and from them are we, All sons of one Mother, the home of the free. Long live the Tenno! Long live the Kaiser! Hulstria and Gao-Soto! Great land of our fathers, diverse though our strains, We're born of their sacrifice, heirs of their pains, And ours is the glory their eyes did not see, One land of two peoples, united and free. Long live the Tenno! Long live the Kaiser! Hulstria and Gao-Soto! |
| Date | 18:57:01, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | OOC: What do we want to do about the flag and coat of arms since I doubt the Gao Showa want to continue wil the Cross of Hulstria as their flag. |
| Date | 19:13:51, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | OOC: I like the new idea for the national anthem that you came up with. As for the flag, I believe we should find a new one that should represent the monarchy. May I suggest the State Flag of Maryland. That looks like it will do. |
| Date | 19:39:25, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | OOC: I've been desinging a flag but I'm not sure about it, I tried one with the hulstrian coat of arms and the imperial seal but it didn't look right. Perhaps the old cross of the republic? I might be able to make another one today. |
| Date | 19:43:27, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | First of all, I believe we don't need to use OOC in front of every post, since it is obvious that this is all out of character. I think we would all like to take a look at the flag you have designed. But I still think that the flag of Maryland would work the best. |
| Date | 20:28:14, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | We generally try to avoid using carbon copies of RL flags |
| Date | 20:30:29, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | okay heres the flag I made today which I'm not that happy with http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/Burnup/?action=view¤t=newflagsmall.png heres the cross of the republic http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/Burnup/?action=view¤t=suncrossb.png |
| Date | 20:30:36, July 05, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | And if we're gonna use th eold flag of the republic we should atleast change the color scheme so it not as if we're restoring the republic |
| Date | 03:15:51, July 06, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | My idea for the flag is that we divide the flag into quadrants, with each quadrant filled by a symbol of national importance. I suggest that one should represent the current monarchy, another representing Gao-Soto, another representing the Lutheran Religion, and another symbolizing Mormonism. As I represent a Mormon party, I believe that the symbol of Mormonism on the flag should be the Angel Moroni. |
| Date | 10:55:48, July 06, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | No religious symbols. If we have one we have to have them all and there are a suprising number of religions. I mean there are lutherans, various catholics, jews, you mormons, shintoists, buddhists, even a few welsh pagans and there may even be a few christian communists left who can say. Best to keep the flag about the nation, a union of Hulstrians and Gao-Showa on that note I decided to make the flag a horizontal tricolour with seals and it looks a lot better http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/Burnup/?action=view¤t=2flags.png |
| Date | 13:13:30, July 06, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | Oh and can it be Hulstria & Gao-Soto? I just don't like the sound of Hulstria Gao-Soto |
| Date | 17:12:46, July 06, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party of Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | If we have something to say we sould change the colour of the flag. We feel that it does not represent the imperial house of Hulstria, nor the Hulstrian people. We agree with Gao Showa, no religious symbols. Maybe a symbol of our wealth would be nice? |
| Date | 01:26:13, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | The top and bottom colors are the colors of Hulstria. We were thinking perhaps the Hulstrian crown could be placed over the Gao Showa Chrysanthemum as sort of a coat of arms. |
| Date | 01:40:11, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | Yeah, I do not like having the two symbols on the flag. It does not look quite right. |
| Date | 06:06:07, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | OOC: If worse comes to worse we can use my party flag. I was looking at my wiki page where I have it, I forgot I had made it for the Holy Gishoton Empire, and it has the 2 colors of Hulstria and Gao Showa Purple along with a Gryphon. http://images.wikia.com/particracy/images/6/65/Gryphon_alpha.png |
| Date | 10:14:17, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party of Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | That looks very nice! |
| Date | 11:02:28, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | It is a nice flag, but I may make an alternative with a phoenix instead of a gryphon considering that is the national animal. |
| Date | 18:41:11, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | I think that is a good idea. I will support that. But lets see how the phoenix looks on the flag before we remove the gryphon. |
| Date | 19:15:31, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | Unfortunately the IHP flag is in the wrong proportions so its taking a bit of tweaking to make it look right. |
| Date | 19:19:33, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | Also I don't know what the rest of you think but making these I can't help feeling that the colour set is horrible, I think there is a reason that you can't find many world flags that are purple and brown. If you're willing I'd like to make a flag not using the Hulstrian and Gao-Showa imperial colours, it may make it look better. |
| Date | 22:35:04, July 07, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | Yeah, these colors do not look right. Use colors that stand out, but still make it look regal. Make sure that there is white in the color. |
| Date | 01:23:34, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | Sure, but for the its Rosy Brown not Brown :P |
| Date | 15:18:53, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | okay I've made a flag without using the brown. The flag is divided in two by a diagonal stripe of a purple made by the combination of Hulstrian Royal and Meiji purple, the top and hoist side of the flag is Hulstrian purple with three star representing Kuratha, Budenlar and Hulstria, the bottom and flying side of the flag is Meiji purple with two stars representing Mitrania and Hilgar http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/Burnup/?action=view¤t=hgsts.png I made two variations featuring two different phoenix designs in the centre of the flag http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/Burnup/?action=view¤t=hgph1s.png http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/Burnup/?action=view¤t=hgph2s.png |
| Date | 15:44:24, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | I really like the 3rd one, its awesome. |
| Date | 15:53:30, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | yeah thats probably my favourite one too |
| Date | 15:57:21, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | also on an earlier point can it please be Hulstria & Gao-Soto? |
| Date | 17:26:24, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | I fixed it right after I commented on the flag... |
| Date | 17:42:34, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | I like the second one two, I just don't like the five stars on either side. |
| Date | 18:24:10, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | you don't like having the stars or you just don't like the design of those particular stars? |
| Date | 19:59:50, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Liberal Party of Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | nice work! |
| Date | 23:15:12, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | I just don't like the stars. I just does not look right. But I do believe that this flag is the best we can come up with, so I say lets run with it. |
| Date | 23:18:32, July 08, 2007 CET | From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | I think we should put in the provision for the flag and send this bill to a vote. |
| Date | 00:12:36, July 09, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Constitution of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto |
| Message | agreed |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 578 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 141 |
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