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Bill: UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens
Details
Submitted by[?]: I need to make new party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2428
Description[?]:
| Illegal Aliens cannot be ignored once they make it to this country. Illegal aliens should be actively searched for then put into intergration centers to intergrate them into scociety. Im suggesting something must be done about the issue it cannot be "Ignored" |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
The government's stance on illegal aliens.
Old value:: The government ignores illegal aliens.
Current: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but puts them in integration centers when discovered.
Proposed: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and puts them in integration centers when discovered.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:05:49, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | I don't think they should be integrated. They are trespassers and need to be sent home as they can't seem to obey the law. Realize that there must be a reason they don't apply for citizenship legally. To make legal immigrants apply for citizenship and then rewarding illegals for making it past our borders sends a mixed message and quite possibly lets criminals into our country. |
| Date | 22:32:55, July 12, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | Sending over the border means they can easiy come it.... Them being here may bring alot of low income job which could help the economy. Our nation has always been known for an opn door policy for imigration all Im suggesting is that we intergrate them... |
| Date | 02:11:29, July 13, 2007 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | So, pray tell, what gives you the right to tell people who can and can't come into our nation? Is it that since you lucked out and managed to be born here that you feel some sort of ownership of the land bounded by the arbitrary construct of Baltusia? Or am I reading too much into this and you're just assuming stuff again when, really, you don't know what's going on? |
| Date | 03:27:59, July 13, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | Actually if you read it Im not deporting anyone Im putting them into Intergration centers.... This Bill is Not stopping people from coming in its dealing with the people who are already here... And yes I do know whats going on do you? I made a bill that gets people who came into the country illegally and now we are simply intergrating them into the country. Its hard to manage a country when you dont know really how many people are here or there not in our records. |
| Date | 07:11:43, July 13, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | "Or am I reading too much into this and you're just assuming stuff again when, really, you don't know what's going on?" -- Orange Party I don't know if you're talking about me, but if you are, understand that some of what I say is roleplay or said because I don't know if it plays a bearing on the game; so don't read too much into stuff that seems irrelevant. Anyway, I do believe there need to be limits placed on immigration in order to prevent the country from reaching its carrying capacity (again, I don't know if that's relevant; just saying that's what can happen in real life). Anyway, if economics isn't a negative issue with respect to immigrants and there aren't any other reasonable reasons for keeping them out (as I seem to read from you), then what do we have to lose by making all aliens go through the naturalization process in the first place? If most are to be accepted without an troubles (as I agree they should), then why would they go through all the trouble to break the law? People who illegally cross the border are criminals and need to be treated as such. I will support future laws to deport illegals. |
| Date | 10:58:56, July 13, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | "I don't know if you're talking about me" It was a continuation from the housing bill where we apparently require a change of policy but I'm yet to see why. As for your arguments, all I can say is, really, there are no illegal aliens because everyone is allowed in. We've had open borders since the 2050s and Baltusian society has moulded to meet that over the last four centuries. |
| Date | 16:20:47, July 13, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | I see. So this means that all (or almost all) immigrants are registered and pay taxes? If not, maybe integration centers are the way to go. |
| Date | 18:34:31, July 13, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | Yeah Orange party says we should ahveopen borers "Like tradition" fine all Im saying is we intergrate them |
| Date | 04:02:50, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill V: Illegal Aliens |
| Message | "and pay taxes" I hope so or else they're going back to Deltaria. You can enjoy the fruits of baltusian freedom as long as you're willing to chip in on the bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 34 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 166 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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