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Bill: Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427
Details
Submitted by[?]: Front Canrillaise
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2429
Description[?]:
| The previous flag is less an aristocratic and monarchic one but rather more of a symbol of Rildanor's French character. The socialist flag has little significance to the country's history and is nothing more than a hasty replacement by a hasty government. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national flag (URL).
Old value:: http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m84/NealMey/th_NewFlag.png
Current: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/particracy/images/6/62/RildanorUnionFlag.png
Proposed: http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l259/LifeIsHeartbreak/RilFlag.jpg
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:08:09, July 12, 2007 CET | From |  Parti Union Nationale | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | OOC: You should save the image from CRW and uppload it on photobucket. |
| Date | 03:15:17, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Parti Union Nationale | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | OOC: We suggest this flag: http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8923/royalfranceflag1wk7.png |
| Date | 03:21:53, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Lutte Féministe de Libération | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | "There is nothing socialist about the current flag! It's entirely ambiguous as to its political bias, which is radically different from this current model drawn from the Parti d'Aristocratie's monarchist and aristocratic bent and ripped straight from the national flag of the République Populaire d'Alduria. I must beg the Assemblee Nationale to say no! No to this outrageous attempt to foist upon the people of Rildanor a political flag alien to its history and native to the Aldurian people. No to this vile attempt to dishonor the proud standard of the Rildanorian people, the Sun Banner, one that represents hope and glory for a nation such as ours. Non, non, ABSOLUMENT PAS! I'd also suggest my colleagues investigate the suspicious connection between the Chancellier and the nation of Alduria." -Adrien Durand MNA, Provincial-West, Morbanack EASL Assembly Leader ((OOC: The link to the Aldurian flag is here: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewnation.php?nationid=29 I should also mention, not that I think this will pass, but just as an fyi, that flags only look good when they're in the proper dimension. It's mentioned somewhere on the forum. Otherwise they shrink weird and look distorted.)) |
| Date | 03:25:21, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Parti Union Nationale | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/8923/royalfranceflag1wk7.png We suggest the above sample for the following reasons: 1) The flag incorporates the CROWN, which is important as it represents Rildanor's Royal Family and the Monarchy. 2) The Angels holding the crown, represent the King has been appointed not only by the people (as we can see in the elections) but also divinely. 3) The Flag still maintains the old french cross symbol, which has been used not only in Alduria's Flag but also the old Rildanor flag. The symbol merely represents french pride, it is not soley owned by Alduria. |
| Date | 03:54:30, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Lutte Féministe de Libération | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | "No to monarchy, no to theocracy. The PPN's flag, if possible, is actually worse than the travesty supported by the Parti d'Aristocratie." -Adrien Durand MNA, Provincial-West, Morbanack EASL Assembly Leader |
| Date | 05:16:20, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | "We don't understand why EASL would be attacking the Chancellier and making crazy allegations of suspicious connections in Alduria, especially since Louis-Philippe has remained mainly non-partisan and out of the spotlight. We demand EASL provide any proof -- if not, then retract! "As to the flag, while Alduria bears a similar flag it does not mean our once proud flag is a cop out -- it merely celebrates the shared French identity that even all of south Seleya has." - Jean-Christophe Clermont, Duc de Moisdonne PA Party Leader OOC: does it matter if I upload to photobucket or not? And EASL, what are the proper dimensions? |
| Date | 15:34:04, July 12, 2007 CET | From | Lutte Féministe de Libération | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | OOC: Proper dimensions are 120x80. |
| Date | 06:45:35, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Parti Union Nationale | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | OOC: The Flag gets resized anyways, the flag of Darnussia was proposed by me and the dimensions were much larger then 120x80. |
| Date | 11:47:33, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Alliance Démocratique Ecologiste Rildani | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | To much royalist "fleur de Lys" on this flag, PA should maybe read some heraldic book before proposing a "Argent aux trois fleurs de lys" flag. And would PA explain why they choose the number three, what does it symbolizes? EASL flag had the advantage to represent the 5 cantons of Rildanor. We prefer the old one, even if some green would be welcome to represent the Rildanian green landscapes |
| Date | 17:49:50, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Front Canrillaise | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | Actually the flag proposed by the PA is the old one. The fleur de lys is a more genuine French flag, and a beautiful one. |
| Date | 02:01:47, July 16, 2007 CET | From | Lutte Féministe de Libération | To | Debating the Renvoi du drapeau français - Returning the French Flag, 2427 |
| Message | OOC: Larger flags do get resized, but they often look altered and poorly designed simply because the resizing loses a lot of the detail. That's why it's best to go with the proper dimensions. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 35 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 57 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 8 |
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