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Bill: UIF Bill: Foreign Aid
Details
Submitted by[?]: I need to make new party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2431
Description[?]:
| Our country should not be forced to help any other countries... We have enough problems of our own that need attending too... I have a personal policy of Baltusia first... If we cant solve our own problems why are we entitld to olve others. Im not being selfish im thinking this though. Why would a nation want us to help them solve lets say a famine when we have a famine of our own and cant solve it. If we can focus on our own issues and show the world we can solve them then we will look better when helping others. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards giving aid to foreign countries.
Old value:: The government gives moderate aid to countries in need.
Current: The government gives high levels of aid to countries in need.
Proposed: The government never offers international aid.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:32:19, July 17, 2007 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | No one is forcing our nation to send aid to other nations. This is a law we decided upon. Your reasoning is therefore flawed. Further, where are these problems you continually allude to? |
| Date | 04:35:53, July 17, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | Read the articles... I am changing The government gives moderate aid to countries in need That means any nation in need and its obvious according to our policy WE WILL GIVE MODERATE AID TOO... My reasoning is not flawed its just your reading glasses are broken. We should not be entitiled by a policy to give aid to anyone. |
| Date | 04:40:02, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | UIF has a point. Actually, I think both laws are flawed because both seem to constrain the government. I'm for providing aid to countries in turmoil, but not if the law implies we give "moderate aid" to ALL countries in need. I'm gonna read the alternatives. |
| Date | 04:40:55, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | Yeah, If it were up to me, we would only provide aid for disaster relief |
| Date | 04:44:13, July 17, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | I have a personal policy of Baltusia first... If we cant solve our own problems why are we entitld to olve others. Im not being selfish im thinking this though. Why would a nation want us to help them solve lets say a famine when we have a famine of our own and cant solve it. If we can focus on our own issues and show the world we can solve them then we will look better when helping others. |
| Date | 05:08:39, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | Although not for the same reasons as you UIF you have the Pantian support for this bill as it stands with giving no aid. Actually youll get our support for giving any less aid the we are currently giving away. Charity is for hippies if people are starving and you feed them theyll just make more people When they die down to a populace they can sustain they shall solve theyre own problems. |
| Date | 05:57:07, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | To me, giving too much aid is better than giving too little, and in my opinion, none isn't enough; but if this bill were to fail, I would support a bill to only provide aid in disaster relief efforts. |
| Date | 06:08:43, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | Its comes down to what your definition of a "country in need" is. Since we're the government, we can write our own definitions of what a "country in need" is. Therefore, we are obligated to give moderate aid to countries in need but we are not obligated to define precisely what conditions a nation qualifies for needy status nor are we obligated to have a set list of needy countries. Hence, if we say there are no countries in need, then we need not give aid. If we say only, for example, Jankania is a country in need, we only need give aid to Jankania for such a time that we decide it is in need. If we decide that the whole world is a country in need, then we are obligated to give aid to all nations but that being such a ridiculous idea, it surely won't come up. The proposal means that we can never offer aid without changing our laws. |
| Date | 13:49:11, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | this is bullshit. What makes a person outseide of baltusia any less deserving of a decent quality of life? At the end of the day. we all bleed the same. |
| Date | 18:34:21, July 17, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | If people outside our country deserve help from us why dont we just have a global government since our own government cant focus on our own people but more so on other nations. Supporting high foreign AId is like denying our countrys independence or our countrys obligation to serve our own citizens first. While I agree with Orange Party that a Line must be draw whic defines a nation in nedI do not believe our country needs to deal with other nations in need directly. We can alsoprovide support to oter global relief programs todeal with the sitution rather then dealing wth it directly. |
| Date | 20:24:15, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | "Its comes down to what your definition of a "country in need" is. Since we're the government, we can write our own definitions of what a "country in need" is. Therefore, we are obligated to give moderate aid to countries in need but we are not obligated to define precisely what conditions a nation qualifies for needy status nor are we obligated to have a set list of needy countries. Hence, if we say there are no countries in need, then we need not give aid. If we say only, for example, Jankania is a country in need, we only need give aid to Jankania for such a time that we decide it is in need. If we decide that the whole world is a country in need, then we are obligated to give aid to all nations but that being such a ridiculous idea, it surely won't come up. The proposal means that we can never offer aid without changing our laws." Okay, thanks for the clarification. I guess I don't like how open-ended the game is. There's definately a lot of room for growth. |
| Date | 02:57:25, July 18, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | OOC: Parts of the game, certainly proposals like this, aren't worded or structured very well. You get the idea of what they mean but its not very precise. My explanation was a way of getting around the UIF's some what valid but overly pedantic argument. |
| Date | 03:08:19, July 19, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | Foreign aid at this time should not be given. We should work with international organizations (Example the UN) to amke sure that the problems in other countrie sare solved... It is not our countrys responsibility to worry about other nations. Thats the reason organization like the UN and Red Cross where made |
| Date | 03:12:35, July 19, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | I mean the red cross and the UN are trained in these situations for famine etc. Our country might never of gone through a famine for example so how do we help a country that is?? By giving them tax payer money?? No Taxation without representation.. Taxes are to help our countrys people not others. Our government is elected not for other countries but for our own |
| Date | 06:11:49, July 19, 2007 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | Finally a subject the Pantians agree with you on |
| Date | 07:23:26, July 19, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | "I mean the red cross and the UN are trained in these situations for famine etc." How do you think the UN (OOC: IRL anyway. There isn't a Particracy equivalent of the UN) is funded? By bake sales? "Our country might never of gone through a famine for example so how do we help a country that is?? By giving them tax payer money??" That doesn't make any sense. How does our not suffering through a famine preclude us from being helpful to other nations? "No Taxation without representation.." Do you actually understand what that means because the context you've just used it in shows that you don't. |
| Date | 18:56:48, July 19, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | Taxes are for our wn country not others... I dont think when they elected there senators they wanted them to spend there money on other countries instead they could be spending it on building schools and parks in our own. |
| Date | 03:48:32, July 20, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill: Foreign Aid |
| Message | "I dont think when they elected there senators they wanted them to spend there money on other countries" Obviously they did because all of the major parties, that is, the most popular ones with the electorate, voted against. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 36 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 164 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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