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Bill: A commitment to non discriminatory legislation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Adam Smith Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2096
Description[?]:
| Where the law in Lodamun requires that race, gender and age play no part in the hiring procedure of our national companies and of those international companies that employ individuals here, and this policy is a bedrock of the unity and cohesion of our multiracial and varied society, we hold that no political party should be permitted to propagate or otherwise condone policies wherein the primary factors concerning opportunities being offered to an individual is any one or combination of that individual's race, gender, age, religion, belief, etc. The only factors relevant to being offered an opportunity should be the individual's ability, knowledge, personality and history. Given this fundamental principle of democracy, that all men are equal under the law, and that the law is colour-blind, etc. we propose that it be made unconstitutional to introduce any law that discriminates or permits, or condones discrimination in any sense between individual citizens of our nation. This should be clearly understood to refer to the physical person, not to the office or position in society held by that person. Thus medical and emergency personnel would still be exempt from compulsory jury service in function of their position, not as a function of their person, for example. The article attached to this bill is to eliminate regional discrimination that currently exists in our electoral system. We propose one man one vote. Simple, clear, and non discriminatory. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The method used to determine the number of seats each region receives in the national legislature.
Old value:: A pseudo-proportional algorithm that gives considerable advantage to smaller regions.
Current: Equal representation, regardless of region population.
Proposed: A proportional algorithm that gives a very small advantage to larger regions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:28:36, August 08, 2005 CET | From |  National People's Gang | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | Racism, ageism and sexism are not the same as prejudice. |
| Date | 20:46:40, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | No, they are just some forms of prejudice, and the froms that are currently illegal. |
| Date | 21:37:24, August 08, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | Using ASPCorp.'s own language, any bills passed by Green Advantage would ensure that all contradictory laws are invalid. |
| Date | 21:49:36, August 08, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | Prejudice is individual; racism, sexism and ageism are institutional. |
| Date | 22:57:13, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | Green Advantage is using their personal predjudices to enforce racism, sexism, ageism upon the institution. |
| Date | 23:49:20, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | The proposal is to let local governments decide. in the past, there was a law REQUIRING positive discrimation, i.e. a stronger law than ours, sponsored by what was then the Moderate Leftist party. There was not a single peep of protest from the ASP against any party's right to introduce any proposal it wishes. this is a blatantly partisan attack which woudl be laughable if it was not such an attack on basic principles of democracy. for the record, Green Advantage currently controls Andalay state. We have no intention of introducing any positive disrcimination legislation. We do however stand by the principle that local governments have the right to legislate. we call on the ASP to either add the Peoples Coalition (former MLP) to this censure, or else admit they are talking through their hats. if the blatantly partisan attack on a party representing over 15% of the electorate's right to introduced bills is withdrawn, then we will debate the merits of the actual proposal for one PERSON one vote. |
| Date | 23:50:33, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | for the recrod, we do not believe any party shoudl eb exield from politics for any reason. Lodamun has had a Fascist party in the past, ie. one that actually WAS racist. If peopel vote for that, then this House has no right to remove them unless they have broken a law. |
| Date | 01:28:09, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | We will quite happily requesat that any party that proposes a discriminatory act should be judged to be constitutionally invalidated if this act passes. If the GA withdraws its blatently discriminatory bill we will withdraw that section of this bill referring to them, and change the title. |
| Date | 01:44:52, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | no deal. we'll propose anything we like, thankyouverymuch. And when are you going to censure the MLP for proposing and passing a law on compulsory affirmative action? |
| Date | 02:00:04, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | When that law is presented to the parliament. We argued very strongly against it, and it was rejected. If it is represented we would request censure of them for so doing. You are presenting such a law, thus we are requesting your censure at the moment. If you don't like it, withdraw your obscene and undemocratic proposal. |
| Date | 02:58:38, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | once again, we are not promoting positve discrimination, although it is our righth to do so. We are proposing decentralization of power. |
| Date | 03:20:33, August 09, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | It does not matter if the discrimination is decentralised or not, it is still discrimination. |
| Date | 02:45:51, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | While TiC supports a decentralization of power, we prefer the reduction or elimination of most power. |
| Date | 01:31:54, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | We have decided to drop the recrimmination and just present a straightforward commitment to equality in our nation. The bill title has been changed, and one paragraph removed from the description. |
| Date | 18:04:58, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | Thank you. however, we are still concerned that the content of the bill and the proposal are entirely different. And as you have surmised, we are prepared to permit a "citizens plus" approach to indigenous peoples and minority groups, as part of a system valuing diversity, rather than attempting to make everything uniform to a single standard imposed by the central government. |
| Date | 06:52:27, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | The content and the proposal are perfectly correlated. Citizen is citizen. One man is one man. Onbe vote is one vote. The vote of any one citizen should have the same political weight as the vote of any other one citizen. The idea of "citizen plus" is disgusting. |
| Date | 07:51:12, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Democractic Socialist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | Id support it if that proposal wasn't attached |
| Date | 10:41:45, August 16, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | "The idea of 'citizen plus' is disgusting" Obviously not too disgusting for disgustingly dishonourable vermin to use when it gives them an advantage |
| Date | 14:52:32, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | Which vermin are you referring to Peepul? It is not a flattering way to refer to the Green Advantage which is the one party that we have seen trying to use this concept. It is ammusing how those on the political left are pro discrimination. This will be remembered, and used as evidence. |
| Date | 14:53:35, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | @ DSP - what is the problem with one man one vote? It is a central tennet of equality. |
| Date | 17:34:38, August 16, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the A commitment to non discriminatory legislation |
| Message | OOC: hell, I'd probably support the proposal if the text wasn't attached! Let's say I run a small business. I want to increase sales to women. There are two equally qualified candidates for the position of regional sales manager. Shouldn't the law permit me to hire the woman candidate? It is a discriminatory decision, but one taken for sound business reasons. This law would take away my company's right to hire whoever it wants. Or let's say I am an indigenous person who by treaty has been given the right to continue my "traditional way of life." This includes sustainable fishing activities. But fish stocks are threatened, and the government has imposed quotas on how many fish may be caught and when. Will my treaty rights, which grant me permission to do an activity now curtailed for the majority population, be unilaterally curtailed by the government? Or do I have a right to a larger proportion of fish trapped than others? We point out, by the way, that the Greens have never introduced a bill requiring affirmative action, and we took no steps to require affirmative action when we held power in Andalay. It is the Lodamun People's Coalition that sponsored a previous law REQUIRING positive discrimination, not ourselves. Finally, and most important from the point of view of democracy, is it the place of parliament to pass laws limiting what democratically-elected parliamentarians may believe? You may well oppose affirmative action for minorities. That is a perfectly honourable posiiton, just as the position favouring affirmative action is. There is space for honest disagreement and difference of opinion. But when we pass a law that would make any form of legislation "unconstitutional," we are on the road to dictatorship. When the opposition was in power, we woujdl never have comtemplated legislating against freedom of speech. In fact, parliament at that time passed a law affirming the right of any party to introduce any proposal it wished. Make no mistake. This is a law to end freedom of speech. It is the first step towards a dictatorship. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 239 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 211 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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