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Bill: The 'People's Federation of Lodamun'
Details
Submitted by[?]: CNT/AFL
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2094
Description[?]:
Since there is no reason to be proclaiming our independence from a non-existent colonizer, we propose to change the name of our nation to the 'People's Federation of Lodamun', to better reflect our character as a nation composed of a union of individuals, as well as a federation of 5 unique states.
NOTE: This is a constitutional amendment, and it requires 2/3rds of the legislature to vote in favour. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:01:46, August 09, 2005 CET |
From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | What about the "Republic of Lodamun"?
We see no reason to take advantage of a new election algorithm that guarantees that 2/3 of the parties get 2/3 of the seats. |
| Date | 16:26:06, August 09, 2005 CET |
From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | The Head of State in our current nation is as redundant as possible. Any more and we would be better of being named the "headless chicken of Lodaun". The ideal of a headless state is one that is unworkable. The state requires an individual who stands for that state in legal terms. To be able to join associations, to be able to sign treaties, the nation has to be represented by one person. The actions of that person can be defined by a collective, but that person has to exist.
Changing the name, will not change the nature of the Head of State. The HoS is directly elected by the people, and as such we are a republic, like it or not. Calling us something else will not stop us being a republic. Now I don't know about you, but we prefer to be honest with our descriptions. If you wish to drop the term Independent, then fine, but to change our description to one that actualy has no descriptive meaning at all we would oppose. |
| Date | 17:01:36, August 09, 2005 CET |
From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | Lodamun is a democratic republic, no matter what we call it. The fact that democratic is not in the name does not make Lodamun less democratic. Removing Republic from the official title would not make Lodamun any less a republic. Our own recommendation is to stress the fdederal nature of the republic in its title. "Federated States of Lodamun" is good -- parallels the Federated States of Rutania. Or even Confederated States.
A compromise might be "Federal Republic of Lodamun." Another would be "People's Republic of Lodamun," but the authoritarian communist overtones of that name probably rule it out. |
| Date | 05:55:51, August 10, 2005 CET |
From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | You know what, no one's going to agree on a suitable name, so I'm just going to put this to a vote soon, we can choose between the proposed name and the status quo. Also, I think now, when the right does not have enough seats to block a constitutional amendment, is the best time to implement a name with a few socialist connotations. |
| Date | 17:49:12, August 11, 2005 CET |
From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | Why "People's"
Sounds too communist for me, and I was under the impression that you all didnt consider yourselves to be communists in the model of China or USSR... |
| Date | 19:54:59, August 11, 2005 CET |
From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | It would be truthful if the socialists let the people decide anything. As they are in the process of limiting all freedoms and choices this name is a classic example of communist doublespeak. It is not going to be the "peoples" federation soon. It is going to be the "Socialist Parties" federation.
We can but hope that the people decide that they have had enough of this dictatorship when the next election comes around. |
| Date | 01:38:23, August 12, 2005 CET |
From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | The nation, which is the concept that the name refers to, is not owned by anyone, as it is just a concept. The land, is owned by individuals, or corporations, or the government. It is not collectively owned by the people. How then should the term "the people" be included in the name. |
| Date | 05:06:02, August 12, 2005 CET |
From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | ((As far as I know, Wouter will change the name of our country if we have a supermajority. We will never agree to a name anyway.)) |
| Date | 17:18:47, August 12, 2005 CET |
From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the The 'People's Federation of Lodamun' | | Message | Unanimity would be ideal. As we see it, there is unanimous support for the idea of droppign the word "Independent" from the nation title. A minority wants to retain the word "Republic" while a majority has supported the idea of "People's Federation."
One possible compromise is to keep the word "Republic" and add one of the words favoured by the majority. The most obvious compromise is "Federal Republic." Is this something that would be acceptable? If not, would someone in the minority on this issue care to make an alternative suggestion? |
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