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Bill: An End to International Handouts
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tuesday Is Coming
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2095
Description[?]:
| All government "gifts" to foreign countries and foreigners shall stop. Individuals shall retain the right to donate to whomever they wish. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards giving aid to foreign countries.
Old value:: The government gives moderate aid to countries in need.
Current: The government gives high levels of aid to countries in need.
Proposed: The government never offers international aid.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The national refugee policy.
Old value:: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Current: All refugees are welcome but no financial aid is given to them.
Proposed: All refugees are welcome but no financial aid is given to them.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:52:21, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | Agreed. |
| Date | 22:32:06, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | This small world is our common home. The Greens shall continue to take the internationalist position on both these issues. |
| Date | 03:05:23, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | We too take an internationalist attitude, but we do not see this as requiring government enforcement by taxation. If people wish to help refugees or distressed nations we will make this easy to do through charities. If they do not wish to, we should not force them to. A theif who steals from the poor to give to the destitute is still a thief. |
| Date | 04:27:55, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | Aid does more damage to poor countries than bad. Usually it is given directly to the governments of such countries who then proceed to squander it on more wars and a better standard of living for themselves. Therefore giving aid to such nations will only encourage them to keep up bad government and will not actually help the populace. I agree with the second point also. |
| Date | 17:53:12, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | When Lodamun bagan giving foreign aid, there was a deliberate decision to make sure aid went to non-governmental organizations, cooperatives etc, and not to governments. There were also conditions imposed that Lodamun would not aid corrupt regimes or massive human rights violaters. Giving aid to such nations would indeed be useless and even counter-productive. But it is not such nations that we send aid to. |
| Date | 06:04:48, August 13, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | Why not allow people to send money privately, voluntarily? Why is it necessary to force people to do so against their will? |
| Date | 13:43:00, August 13, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | Why aren't they doing it already? Why are they watching others starve? Why do poor people always give proportionately more to charity than rich people? Is it greed? Is it psychopathic self-interest? Is it a system which rewards greed and self-interest? If they are so offended by a communal support system for our species, they are free to leave Lodamun - indeed free to buy themselves an island and live within their own state. Why don't they do it? Because they are incapable of living without the assistance of other people. They do not want a grow-your-own-food existence, they want to benefit from the toils of humanity but are not prepared to put their own shoulder to the wheel, not even when no physical effort is required but merely the reallocation of part of their hoard of resources. If such people exist outside the imagination of the Friday-is-Coming representatives, then they are useless to us as a country, as a world and as a species. Let them leave. |
| Date | 19:39:47, August 13, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | "Why aren't they doing it already?" Perhaps they are, how do you know without any data? "Why are they watching others starve?" Are they? "Why do poor people always give proportionately more to charity than rich people?" This is 100% False. The rich give much more to charity than the poor. the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation: $1 billion over 20 years to establish the Gates Millennium Scholarship Program, which will support promising minority students through college and some kinds of graduate school. $750 million over five years to the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization, which includes the World Health Organization, the Rockefeller Foundation, Unicef, pharmaceutical companies and the World Bank. $350 million over three years to teachers, administrators, school districts and schools to improve America’s K-12 education, starting in Washington State. $200 million to the Gates Library Program, which is wiring public libraries in America’s poorest communities in an effort to close the “digital divide.” $100 million to the Gates Children’s Vaccine Program, which will accelerate delivery of lifesaving vaccines to children in the poorest countries of the world. $50 million to the Maternal Mortality Reduction Program, run by the Columbia University School of Public Health. $50 million to the Malaria Vaccine Initiative, to conduct research on promising candidates for a malaria vaccine. $50 million to an international group called the Alliance for the Prevention of Cervical Cancer. $50 million to a fund for global polio eradication, led by the World Health Organization, Unicef, Rotary International and the U.N. Foundation. $40 million to the International Vaccine Institute, a research program based in Seoul, South Korea. $28 million to Unicef for the elimination of maternal and neonatal tetanus. $25 million to the Sequella Global Tuberculosis Foundation. $25 million to the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative, which is creating coalitions of research scientists, pharmaceutical companies and governments in developing countries to look for a safe, effective, widely accessible vaccine against AIDS. I have plenty of other examples, but Gates is the richest... "Is it greed?" Didnt look greedy to me... "If they are so offended by a communal support system for our species, they are free to leave Lodamun - indeed free to buy themselves an island and live within their own state." Not everyone can afford to do so, I know that I cannot. Moreover, don't they have a right to decide what happens to what they earn? "Why don't they do it?" They do. Lower taxes ALWAYS causes increases in charitable donations. "they want to benefit from the toils of humanity but are not prepared to put their own shoulder to the wheel" If they are unwilling to work, no one will pay them for their labors...The fact that they earn a large income proves that someone values their work. "not even when no physical effort is required but merely the reallocation of part of their hoard of resources" It takes physical effort to earn their property. Stealing/reallocating their property is taking the fruits of their labor away from them without permission. "If such people exist outside the imagination of the Friday-is-Coming representatives" I didnt think my party name was that difficult to read. Perhaps Equitista needs to relearn his days of the week? "then they are useless to us as a country, as a world and as a species." Why must they be "useful" to anyone? Isnt the Equitista supposed to be against "exploitation"? Why are voluntary donations useless? ((I gave 6 times my hourly wage to the International Red Cross after the tsunami. I would hope that this does not make me "useless")) "Let them leave." For leaving others alone? Let those who want to intervene in the affairs of others leave. |
| Date | 04:18:57, August 14, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the An End to International Handouts |
| Message | The question Equitista's speaker posed was "Why do poor people always give PROPORTIONATELY more to charity than rich people?" "I didnt think my party name was that difficult to read. Perhaps Equitista needs to relearn his days of the week?" Don't you call it Equitrista? Or is that just the ASP? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 149 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 301 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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