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Bill: Private property rights are the basis of freedom
Details
Submitted by[?]: Royal Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2095
Description[?]:
| Private property remains the basis of all freedom. It is the right to own property that allows us to deman democratic freedom and individual human rights as from property we may make our demands from a position of strenght. To allow the government to steal property from people is undemocratic, unfair and an act of gross tyranny. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Current: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Proposed: The government may not seize private property.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:31:25, August 11, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Private property rights are the basis of freedom |
| Message | We disagree right from the start, property has nothing to do with freedom. |
| Date | 14:46:29, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Private property rights are the basis of freedom |
| Message | We disagree with this on the basis that there are essential items of infrastructure, such as transport and power generation, without which freedom is irrelevant. The issue is over what should count as vital. In our opinion vital is that which benefits all in the long term, including the person or persons to whom the comulsory purchase order is applied. This does not include inner city redevelopment, or the construction of a new national legislature building in each state capital. This does include reducing travelling times and eliminating power failures. In our view eminent domain has a legitimate role as the role of the government is to provide the conditions for the peoople to succeed in their plans hopes and desires. |
| Date | 18:43:33, August 11, 2005 CET | From |  National People's Gang | To | Debating the Private property rights are the basis of freedom |
| Message | "The defence of private property and of free trade is central to our economic policies, when it does not conflict with the national interest." And what if there is a conflict with the national interest? |
| Date | 20:06:53, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Private property rights are the basis of freedom |
| Message | What/who are you quoting Equitista? |
| Date | 20:15:15, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Private property rights are the basis of freedom |
| Message | Me, I think. I personally would like to see what classifies as 'vital government works'. The fact remains that private property should almost always be respected - the only time I believe the government has any right to requistion anything private is at a time of work. That is when the defence of private property conflicts with the national interest. |
| Date | 01:15:12, August 12, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Private property rights are the basis of freedom |
| Message | The difference between private property must "almost always be respected" and "always be respected" is about the same as "the government may seize private property for vital government works" and "the government may not seize private property". If you accept there are, however few, circumstances in which the government may seize private property, then it's a little dangerous to ban it. What you really require is a government definition of "vital" works. You can't define them with the current proposal and you can't repropose the existing legislation. You could remove the proposal from this bill and make it an addendum to the existing legislation of "The government may seize private property for vital government works" and list what should be considered "vital works". |
| Date | 02:55:49, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Private property rights are the basis of freedom |
| Message | We agree with Equitista here. ((I think you have a typo in your last post CUP. Is it suppossed to say "at time of war" rather than "at time of work"?)) |
| Date | 03:43:52, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Private property rights are the basis of freedom |
| Message | Yes, ASP is correct on the typo. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 128 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 250 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 72 |
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