We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federal Independent Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2439
Description[?]:
Due to the most recent outrageous actions by the CPS brutally attacking FIP HQ, we the Federal Independent Party request that the Senate, Minister of Defense, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Supreme President, and Senate Warden affirm support to deploy the military against the CPS Paramilitary known as "Conservationists". All materials can be seen here: http://www.takeforum.com/particracy/viewtopic.php?p=157393&mforum=particracy#157393 We urge all parties to work with us for the sake of the government, the nation, and the people! |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 19:43:52, August 03, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | (OOC: Just remember you also need 50% of the entire nation's votes to support you.) |
Date | 20:20:24, August 03, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | (OOC: Yeah, thanks. I forgot about that.) |
Date | 09:20:31, August 04, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | This has gotten out of hand! I urge the FIP and the CPS to end this hostility, I urge you both to see sense. I suggest that Miss Taylor and Mr Bieler meet and settle your differences. In terms of deploying the military, My party will not support a course of action that will lead to more deaths, should you not attempt to reach a peaceful comprimise. Xavier Evans, Party Leader |
Date | 01:12:08, August 05, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | Mr. Evans, I applaud you on your attempt to let democracy and peace ring. But you are no proponent of security of the people. You are no proponent of justice. You are no proponent of common sense. My party and its affiliates are dying and you demand that we end this? That disgusts me. I believe in peace but I believe in justice as well. The fact that you would say "end this hostility, I urge you to see sense" crazes me. The FIP organization has already had 56 associates, friends, employees, and in some cases, family murdered and all you can say is to stop. The Conservationists have murdered my friends. This is not a personal issue it is an issue of legality. And you would abandon all common sense and let them continue? They are holding my party affiliates and associates hostage and all you can do is deny help to my party!!! Did you not see the gruesome video released!!!??? The Federal Independent Party cannot work with a party that would allow terrorists the right to murder innocents who are dying as we speak. Until your party rights the wrong it just made, we will cut off relations until this situation is over. We have no time to deal with a party that would let people die just to buy off time for peace that will not come. We cannot respect your voice in this government. Rethink what you have proposed to me and my party. FIP Minority Leader Hugh Bieler |
Date | 02:09:57, August 05, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | You will "cut off relations"? It is no your decision Mr. Bieler on who is allowed to voice opinions. I think you missunderstand the meaning of my argument. I did not in any way suggest that this is the FIP's fault. If you care to note, I appealed to the FIP AND the CPS to to attempt to salvage democracy. Of course I saw the video released, of course I think the Conservationists are terrorists. I feel though, that if you swallow your pride, and make one final appeal to the CPS to settle this dispute, then Solentia will be better for it. Mr Bieler, do not mistake my reluctance to involve the military as an approval of the CPS's actions. I have also made an appeal the CPS to remove the Conservationists. My decision to support a military mobilisation will depend on their response. Xavier Evans, Party Leader |
Date | 03:51:13, August 05, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | Swallow MY pride? Swallow my pride...that remark makes me angry and you know why? Because, anyone who had the gut to say that to a man who is representing 56 murdered innocents should be thrown in jail. It is terribly disrespectful to say that, especially in a time like this. Indeed, you are impressive. Do you realize what I have been through? No, because you have never been through this. I doubt you would take things much more lightly if you in my position. Let me put you in my position for a minute, my party's position, and the families of the murdered innocents position. Just listen for a meager amount of time before you can frustrate me more. You have been told a terrorist group which is headed and directed underneath the Conservative Party has just invaded your party HQ. You are suprised this has happened, but cannot be sure of a definate response. Next, you hear that all security guards are being shot if they refuse to throw down their weapons. The purpose of a security guard is protection, so naturally they won't do as they are told from an outside force that will kill the people inside. You hear that nearly all guards are shot. Then, you find out that interns are being brutally massacred. Innocents not even involved with this violence. Then, you find out the most horrific and gruesome video has been released, covering footage of slaughtered associates, friends, and even family. They have been killed. You finish watching the tape to find that good colleagues, inspirations, and loved ones are being held hostage by gun point in the very building you were standing in a few days ago. The very building where you were served coffee by a pleasant intern who spoke of her children at home and praised you for your efforts in the government...is in ruin and she is dead. Not only are you horrified and traumatized, but you are stunned. No person would immediately say "Wait...we'll have to wait. Only time will tell. We must allow peace to settle this matter." Or would you? Rather, would you say "This is the last incident. These terrorists have threatened us time and time, have vowed to cause us disruption, spread lies about this party, shut down the government, and now are killing the loved ones in our lives. This is the end of their tyranny." and then proceed to take action? Mr. Evans, do you believe in a society of law? Mr. Evans, do you believe that when personnel, citizens, or violators of any kind break a law, not a minor law, not a law of moderate seriousness, but a major law, that they can be allowed to get away with their actions? Mr. Evans, do you believe that the Conservationists will give us peace? They have threatened to kill hostages unless this party is dissolved. As a duty to the people, it is your responsibility to uphold the law. As a duty to the people, it is your responsibility to protect this nation. My party, the Federal Independent Party, which surpasses ANY PARTY in Solentia in length of existence, has the right to be protected just as much as any party would, doesn't it? It is against the law to take actions of aggression against another political force, and you would let them get away with it by waiting? If your party has been paying such close attention to this matter, wouldn't it know that the CPS has threatened to continue their actions UNLESS FIP IS DISSOLVED. If you watch the video, you would know that at the end, the terrorist said exactly these words: "Mr. Bailen, Mr. Steton, and Mr. Fletcher here," *He points the barrel of his gun at each man next to him in turn.* "Would benefit if you were to reconsider your refusal to dissolve the FIP. I give you 24 hours, Mr. Bieler." Do you seriously believe that they will reconsider their actions, throw down their weapons, and promise to never do something like this again? This should be enough proof here. And yes, my party has the power to cut off relations with yours...as does any. And also, yes, it is my decision along with the other Senators in this party whether or not this party engages with yours. It's definitely not your decision or anyone elses, so I don't know who's decision you thought it was. If we don't get the help from the government because it is ruled by terrorists like the CPS, we will take measures into our own hands. FIP Minority Leader Hugh Bieler |
Date | 11:08:32, August 05, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | Mr Bieler! You shock me. You continue to tell me that I do not understand your predicament, you continue to tell me that these terrorists must be stopped and you continue to tell me about the gruesome video. I understand and have sympathy for your predicament, I agree that the terrorists must be stopped, and I have already seen the video. Are you not listening to what I am telling you? Read between the lines. I AGREE with you Mr. Bieler, but I also believe that every possible peaceful avenue should be explored before the military is involved. Furthermore Mr Bieler, I am not taking the situation "Lightly". Which I would have thought would have been apparent in my discussions of this issue. I consider this debarcle of UTMOST importance. I don't know how you can possibly believe that. Mr. Bieler, the LPS wants to help you. Your constant verbal attacks on me and my Party will be ignored as I understand this is a stressful time. Xavier Evans, Party Leader |
Date | 19:05:13, August 05, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | We thank the LPS for their understanding as well as Mr. Evans patience. Mr. Bieler has had a tough and stressful time and cannot be blamed for what he's said. FIP Senate Speaker Sherrod Brown |
Date | 03:12:06, August 06, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Initiation to Affirm Support to Deploy the Solentian Military Against the CPS |
Message | I would like to apologize to the LPS for the anguish beset upon them by the obviously unstable Hugh Bieler while the LPS attempted to speak reasonably to the man. You will notice instability is a common trait in FIP leadership. Julia Taylor, Inner Party Leader |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||
yes |
Total Seats: 88 | |||||
no | Total Seats: 63 | |||||
abstain | Total Seats: 24 |
Random fact: When it comes to creating a Cultural Protocol in a Culturally Open nation, players are not necessarily required to provide a plausible backstory for how the nation's cultural background developed. However, the provision of a plausible backstory may be a factor in whether Moderation approves the Cultural Protocol if players in surrounding nations question its appropriateness for their region of the game map. |
Random quote: "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." Ronald Reagan (1911 - 2004) |