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Bill: Modern Tithe
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partiya Nacionalnogo Progressa
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2096
Description[?]:
| Act of a good will and more control religion in one! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: Ministers of religion shall receive no remuneration whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:17:52, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | Why should the government be involved in religion at all? |
| Date | 00:24:17, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Nacionalnogo Progressa | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | Because "Religion is an opium for nation" V. I. Lenin And we have to regulate this sort of drug :) |
| Date | 04:37:26, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | Religion is as much as an opium as breathing as. It is required for one to actually live. Plus there is no need to pay their salaries, let the citizens pay for their own religious services, it does not take much, to feed them and maintain the place of worship. |
| Date | 04:56:09, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Marxist Party | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | "Religion is an opium of the masses"-Karl Marx At least get your quotes right. How is this regulating religion? You are giving these priests government recognition and payment. You are supporting it. Let those who want to be religious support their own holy men. |
| Date | 05:14:21, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | Which isn't allowed under current legislation... (yes, just noticed that) |
| Date | 06:30:43, August 12, 2005 CET | From |  Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | "Religion is as much as an opium as breathing as. It is required for one to actually live." Please tell me you are not serious. |
| Date | 06:34:40, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | Why not? If that's his belief (or anyone else's for that matter) it's perfectly valid here. It's no less not serious than saying that private (or public) welfare is better because it's private (or public), which has been brought up |
| Date | 10:29:23, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Partiya Nacionalnogo Progressa | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | This bill is really maciavelian first step to control religion. |
| Date | 16:03:35, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Rationalist Party | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | Where did Maciavelli say that the state should fund religion? Unless the ruler was in the ecclisiastic as well as temporal sense. I don't remember that from The Prince or anything else I've read |
| Date | 16:59:58, August 12, 2005 CET | From | Conservative Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | IP: Yes i am serious, but we are not debating over it. As said, i agree with PMP, if we truly want your nation to be privatized, with 0% taxes, then we have to leave the payment of religious figures to the people. |
| Date | 12:30:53, August 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party of Telamon | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | i dunno how i should vote, im relegious, but i cant see the proper way, ill just follow Conservitives, or go against Independents |
| Date | 22:55:28, August 14, 2005 CET | From | Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Modern Tithe |
| Message | Well then you will have a hard time on this one commie ;) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 43 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 146 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 66 |
| Random fact: "Treaty-locking", or ratifiying treaties that completely or nearly completely forbid any proposals to change laws, is not allowed. Amongst other possible sanctions, Moderation reserves the discretion to delete treaties and/or subject parties to a seat reset if this is necessary in order to reverse a treaty-lock situation. |
| Random quote: "The main problem of the left is that it has been traditionally divided and unable to reach agreements between different leftist views, whilst the right has almost always moved in the same direction by giving concessions to different rightist points of view." - Aelius Celer, former Selucian politician |