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Bill: Seperation of Church and Education
Details
Submitted by[?]: Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2446
Description[?]:
| There are both public and private schools in our nation and part of the constant of our major party is that the private sector should be allowed to decide things for itself, thus this law needs amending to bring it in line with other laws and with freedom of expression rather than pressure from the government. Considering the inherently religious state of the current national anthem the fact that schools that do not follow the faith and are private are forced to sing it is also something that should not be. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are made to sing the national anthem at the commencement of school each day.
Current: Children are only made to sing the national anthem on special occasions.
Proposed: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:37:44, August 08, 2007 CET | From | Ha'ganat Ha'aretz | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | As a religously-based state with a conservative, religous population, we do not see the wisdom in trying to liberalize and secularize the schools. The H.H. does not feel that this legislation makes any sort of signinficant changes for the better, and will not vote for it. |
| Date | 16:03:05, August 08, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | We are generally all for the private sector deciding things for themselves, however we feel that faith is an important part in our youths upbringing. |
| Date | 03:18:32, August 09, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | Bill: Seperation of Church and State Submitted by: Mizrachi League This was only eleven years ago and the wishy washy way you state "everything is the private sector... except religion" is inadequate. Individuals should not be forced to follow something, especially as you have stated there are many non-Jewish communities in the nation who are currently being forced to sing the national anthem that praises a seperate religion altogether (not to mention the minorities such as atheists). |
| Date | 13:19:16, August 09, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | As we have already stated, that was when we were the CLP. We moved on; because the secular policies we tried to force upon the people failed. It is hard for a party to admit it has failed the people, but we have to because continuing down that road would have seen us slip into complete anarchy. |
| Date | 15:15:39, August 09, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | You did not answer the second part about how you can consistently be for the private sector except in the one case where by law this has no place being a law of the state. The separation of church and state is one of the strongest tenants of a democracy, claiming "oh we failed so we will full heartedly turn down any attempt at trying again" is simply quitting entirely and preventing anyone from trying to progress. Maybe you failed, we have not. |
| Date | 11:56:02, August 10, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | You will fail though, because you propose exactly what we proposed. Religion is more important than the free market. |
| Date | 12:03:23, August 10, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | Importance has nothing to do with it, it has no place being mandated in schools regardless of importance. Your self-loathing apathy is doing nothing bu alienating other parties and the people of our country. |
| Date | 12:08:18, August 10, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | Oh yes, the government has no place telling people to do something, even if its important. Maybe we should just abandon criminal law in schools too, after all it may be important, but of course we shouldn't mandate it. "self-loathing apathy"? If we were apathetic, we would have said "no" and refused to debate it with you. If we were "self-loathing", we wouldnt be running in the Sanhedrin at all. Please stop with this slander. |
| Date | 13:06:42, August 10, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | First of all nice straw man comparing education to religion when this has nothing to do with the religion curriculum and has to do with the forcing on religion views on the students as well as singing a national anthem praising Judaism, a religion not everyone in the country, despite what you may think, follows. All you are saying is "we tried it and we failed so we are going to crush you at every turn". |
| Date | 13:09:46, August 10, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | Wait, we're not supposed to oppose you now or else we're being unfair? |
| Date | 13:20:13, August 10, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | It's not the opposition, it's the reasons for the opposition and that you will champion the private sector and then suddenly claim the private sector should be run by the government while following it up with then proposing a bill for eminent domain. You have shown no consistancy in your claims, but your bills have been consistent in pushing a theocratic fascist state. |
| Date | 13:23:04, August 10, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | Our position is quite simple. The private sector should not be interfered with at all, unless interfering provides security for our Faith or our Homeland. Its entirely consistent. |
| Date | 13:29:24, August 10, 2007 CET | From | Civil Liberty Persecution Complex Party | To | Debating the Seperation of Church and Education |
| Message | And my position is that the Faith has no place in schools that do not practice the Faith. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 72 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 28 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Information about the population of each country can be found on the Population Information thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8663 |
| Random quote: "The key to understanding the American system is to imagine that you have the power to make nearly any law you want, but your worst enemy will be the one to enforce it." - Rick Cook |